The blacksmiths of the kingdom of Mechania are wondering how much tension is holding a crown together as it rests on the head of their sovereign. The king of Mechania has a frictionless, perfectly spherical head with radius r = 1 0 cm , and the crown is a thin cord with a length of ℓ = 3 7 . 7 cm and a mass of m = 6 2 8 . 3 2 g .
Compute the tension in the crown (in Newtons).
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Please include all input needed, especially when you use g = 10 m/s² ...
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oh sorry about that, I am sure I edited this in, but the edit was apperently not saved... Correcting immediately...
"Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown" (2HIV Act III scene1 line 31) I should think so - nod the smallest amount and it'll fall off! Your method is similar to what in my day was called "virtual work" (an attractive prospect) - in an energy-preserving situation (no friction) stationary points of PE function give equilibrium. 2nd derivative determines whether equilibrium is stable or unstable. I solved this one simply by using resolution of forces (to establish that the total outward force from head to crown is 1.25mg at an angle of arcsine 0.6 to the vertical), and then triangle of forces with two T's, an angle of delta theta, and third side 1.25mg x 0.6 x delta theta/(2 pi), so T = 1.25 x 0.6 x 0.62832 x 10/(2 pi). I think that's much the same as Brian's solution.
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nice quote ;o) (and nice solution)
It's a "trick" I learned from the Physics Olympiad back home... There was this other problem where one could try to determine the tension on soap bubbles. You had to start by blowing soap bubbles from a straw, then measure the time it takes for them to expunge all the air back (through the straw). Once you got that this time was proportional to r 4 (where r is the radius of the soap bubble) you could then compute some forces/energy to get an idea of the tension. It was a cool problem, but I can't piece it together anymore.
good solution and awesome quote..XD
Suppose the ring is divided into many little pieces of angle d θ . Suppose also that each piece is acted on by a force d F = α d θ , which points radially away from the sphere. The vectorial force components are:
d F x = α d θ c o s θ s i n ϕ d F y = α d θ s i n θ s i n ϕ d F z = α d θ c o s ϕ
The angle ϕ is a fixed quantity determined by the parameters of the problem. We know that the integral of d F z must equal the weight.
F z = α c o s ϕ ∫ 0 2 π d θ = 2 π c o s ϕ α = m g α = 2 π c o s ϕ m g
Calculate the x force associated with an arbitrarily defined angle window − θ f ≤ θ ≤ θ f :
F x = α s i n ϕ ∫ − θ f θ f c o s θ d θ = 2 π m g t a n ϕ ∫ − θ f θ f c o s θ d θ = π m g t a n ϕ s i n θ f
We know that this x force is countered by the twice the corresponding tension component, evaluated at θ f . This is because the tension pulls on the partial ring segment equally at both ends.
π m g t a n ϕ s i n θ f = 2 T s i n θ f T = 2 π m g t a n ϕ ≈ 0 . 7 5
Great solution!!+1!!
I have a solution using forces but I don't know how to write like u guys do. Can any1 plzz teach me . I want to share my solution but I don't know how to.
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have u got the answer correct?here?
You mean you don't know Latex? You can hover over other peoples' Latex to see how it's done
I am unable to convince me how tension is the same throughout the string. It might seem silly to you but please answer me. If I assume that tension is the same I have a force based solution with me. Thanks in advance
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Any non-uniformity in the tension would violate symmetry. If you tried to describe the assumed variation in tension using an equation, you would have to choose a reference (start point). There is no reason to choose one reference over another.
Here's a "force-based" solution using the non-standard analysis of infinitesimals. I don't mean this to be taken as a formal solution; rather, I show it to give insight into how some analysts think about this type of problem.
Warning: While the theorems of nonstandard analysis are consistent (under the same assumptions on the consistency of set theory in standard mathematics), your instructors will probably give you no points for using this method in a class for the standard methods.
Let O denote the center of the spherical head, let C denote the center of the circle formed by the crown, let Q denote an arbitrary point on the crown, and let T ( Q ) denote the tension at Q . We note that the "weight density per radian" of the crown is 2 π m g , the radius of the crown is C Q = 2 π ℓ , and the height of the crown above O is O C = r 2 − ( 2 π ℓ ) 2 .
Now let d θ denote an infinitesimal. We consider a section of the crown centered at Q and including d θ radians to either side. There is a tension force T ( Q ) at each end of this section acting in the same direction as the ends. The net effect is a force acting in the direction of Q C with magnitude 2 T ( Q ) sin ( d θ ) .
We now consider the forces acting on this small segment:
In order for these to balance, the sum of the weight and net tension vectors acting on the segment must act in the direction of Q O , so by similar triangles, π m g d θ 2 T ( Q ) sin ( d θ ) = O C C Q = r 2 − ( 2 π ℓ ) 2 2 π ℓ Here, we note that d θ sin ( d θ ) = 1 , so applying this and solving for the tension: T ( Q ) = 4 π 2 r 2 − ( 2 π ℓ ) 2 m g ℓ
Using the given values yields T ( Q ) ≈ 0 . 7 5 N
I want to make a few comments on my solution for those who may be incredulous about this method. By my count, I've only used nonstandard analysis to make three material claims in this solution. Here they are, in increasing importance:
To wrap up: Everything can be done in the standard framework by assuming d θ > 0 is a real number and then taking the limit d θ → 0 + , but the notation becomes a little more complicated. This is why in practice lots of analysts use non-standard analysis. It's almost always much easier to deal with and usually provides true statements when interpreted in the standard framework.
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nice solution! On the formal level, the solution (by that I mean the math and formulas) look almost the same as the "energy-based" solution I posted. Coincidence?
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Thanks.
Since both of us decided to write the answer in terms of the given quantities, it actually seems inevitable that our formulas should at least be very similar.
Actually, when I was writing my solution up, I saw that your solution had the same form of the formulas, and I thought about changing it just to be a little different, but I decided against it because the form itself seemed to give all the intermediate quantities approximately integer values. (e.g. I left 2 π l ≈ 6 cm in the square root because it's simpler in computation)
I debated even writing the final formula as T ( Q ) = r 2 − ( 2 π ℓ ) 2 ( 2 π m g ) ( 2 π ℓ ) to completely parallel my computation, but decided that looks a little cramped.
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@Brian Moehring – yeah, I was a bit lazy in writing down the problem... I wanted the solution to be a relatively round number (3/4) but was too impatient to hide the cancellations with in a less obvious manner :)
Anyway, nonstandard analysis is simply a cool thing. I guess you could argue with your tutor if he decided to give less points for such a solution. Especially in a physics course!
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Here is my "energy-based solution" (see Steven Chase's post for a "force-based" solution).
The potential energy of the wire is given by E = m g h (where h is the height at which the wire lies; here I set the height to be 0 at the center of the sphere). This may be re-expressed as a function of the length ℓ of the wire. Use h 2 + ( 2 π ℓ ) 2 = r 2 to get: E = m g r 2 − ( 2 π ℓ ) 2 Now imagine the wire would increase its length by d ℓ , then the energy would change as d E = − F d ℓ where F is the tension (the change in energy corresponds to a negative work by the tension in the wire). Hence F = = = − d ℓ d E m g r 2 − ( 2 π ℓ ) 2 1 4 π 2 ℓ 4 π 2 r 2 − ( 2 π ℓ ) 2 m g ℓ Pluging in the values give ≈ 0 . 7 5 N .