That boy should have been careful 2

A boy of mass m m is initially seated on the top of a hemispherical ice mound of mass M M and radius R R that is free to slide horizontally on a frictionless floor. He begins to slide down the ice, with a negligible initial speed. Approximate the ice as being frictionless.

At a height of a b × R , \frac ab\times R, the boy loses contact with the ice, where a a and b b are coprime positive integers.

What is the value of a + b a+b ?

Details and Assumptions:

  • M = 7 25 m M=\frac 7{25} m .
  • Neglect air resistance.
  • Take the boy to be a point particle.

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The answer is 9.

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1 solution

Brian Moehring
Jun 23, 2018

We define the following variables: v i c e = horizontal velocity of the ice mound with respect to the ground v x = horizontal velocity of the boy with respect to the ground v y = vertical velocity of the boy with respect to the ground h = height of the boy above ground v_{ice} = \text{ horizontal velocity of the ice mound with respect to the ground} \\ v_x = \text{ horizontal velocity of the boy with respect to the ground} \\ v_y = \text{ vertical velocity of the boy with respect to the ground} \\ h = \text{ height of the boy above ground} and from these, we define the following "helper" variables v x , i c e = horizontal velocity of the boy with respect to the ice mound = v x v i c e ρ = h R v_{x, ice} = \text{ horizontal velocity of the boy with respect to the ice mound } = v_x - v_{ice} \\ \rho = \frac{h}{R} Here, I find it pertinent to note that we assume all relativity effects are completely Newtonian. This is a fairly harmless assumption for the numerical value of a / b a/b , but it probably would change a + b a+b (if such a value even exists in Einstein Relativity). Also, we should note that, with these variables, we are actually looking for the value of ρ \rho when the boy loses contact.

We now consider a few equations:

  • By conservation of linear momentum, we have M v i c e + m v x = 0 Mv_{ice} + mv_x = 0
  • All interactions are frictionless, so we have a conservation of energy in terms of only potential and kinetic energy of the boy and ice mound system: m g R = m g h + 1 2 m ( v x 2 + v y 2 ) + 1 2 M v i c e 2 mgR = mgh + \frac{1}{2}m\left(v_x^2 + v_y^2\right) + \frac{1}{2}Mv_{ice}^2
  • For h [ a b R , R ] h \in \left[\frac{a}{b}R, R\right] , the boy's velocity relative to the ice mound must by tangent to the ice mound. Since the ice mound is circular, this gives us v y v x , i c e = R 2 h 2 h \frac{v_y}{v_{x, ice}} = -\frac{\sqrt{R^2 - h^2}}{h}
  • Lastly, when h = a b R h=\frac{a}{b}R , the boy loses contact with the ice mound, so he is no longer applying a force to it, which means at this moment the ice mound reference frame is inertial. Therefore, in this instant we can apply the formulas of centripetal acceleration to the ice mound frame. This gives v x , i c e 2 + v y 2 R = g h R \frac{v_{x, ice}^2 + v_y^2}{R} = g\frac{h}{R} since at the moment the boy loses contact, the radial component of the force of gravity is exactly equal to the centripetal force.

If we solve those equations for ρ \rho (if people really want to see this, I'll show it below, but it really is just shuffling around symbols), we find the equation 0 = ρ 3 ( 1 + m M ) ( ρ 3 3 ρ + 2 ) 0 = \rho^3 - \left(1+\frac{m}{M}\right)\left(\rho^3 - 3\rho + 2\right)

Setting m M = 25 7 \frac{m}{M} = \frac{25}{7} and solving for the only solution ρ [ 0 , 1 ] \rho \in [0,1] yields ρ = 4 5 \rho = \frac{4}{5} . It follows that a = 4 a=4 , b = 5 b=5 , and a + b = 9 \boxed{a+b = 9}


Note: When we let m M \frac{m}{M} tend to 0 0 , then the conservation of linear momentum equation would give a constant v i c e = 0 v_{ice}=0 , as in the problem that inspired this one . You might also note that in this case, the equation I have given for ρ \rho becomes 0 = 3 ρ 2 0 = 3\rho - 2 , giving the correct answer for that problem.

I am just confused about how the tangency condition gives rise to the equation Vy / Vx,ice = - sqrt(R^2 - h^2)/h

Dheepan 01 - 1 month, 1 week ago

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It comes from the geometry of the circle. A tangent at the point ( x , y ) (x,y) on a circle centered at the origin will have slope x y -\frac{x}{y} (since the radius has slope y x \frac{y}{x} and the radius and the tangent are perpendicular). If you're still confused how that relates, just say so, and I'll try to clarify more when I'm at my keyboard.

Brian Moehring - 1 month, 1 week ago

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Oh okay that clears the right-hand side of the equation (Taking ratios of x and y coordinates) , but how is this equal to the ratio of Vy and V (x, ice) ?

Dheepan 01 - 1 month, 1 week ago

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@Dheepan 01 This is an even more general fact: The [instantaneous] slope of a path of a particle is equal to the ratio of its [instantaneous] velocity in the y y direction and its [instantaneous] velocity in the x x direction.

Mathematically, this is just the chain rule for derivatives: d y d t = d y d x d x d t \frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{dy}{dx}\cdot \frac{dx}{dt} which literally says, when we measure in the ice's reference frame, " v y v_y equals the slope to the path's tangent times v x , i c e v_{x,ice} ".

Physically (if you haven't seen the chain rule before), if we removed gravity at that instant, then Newton's first law says we'd travel on the tangent line, with slope m = Δ y Δ x m = \frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x} , with a constant velocity ( v x , i c e , v y ) = ( Δ x Δ t , Δ y Δ t ) (v_{x,ice}, v_y) = \left(\frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}, \frac{\Delta y}{\Delta t}\right) . Then you can algebraically show v y v x , i c e = Δ y Δ t Δ x Δ t = Δ y Δ x = m \frac{v_y}{v_{x,ice}} = \frac{\frac{\Delta y}{\Delta t}}{\frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}} = \frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x} = m just by cancelling the common factor of Δ t 0. \Delta t \neq 0.

Brian Moehring - 1 month, 1 week ago

Perfect! I think i understood the whole question now! Thanks a lot!

Dheepan 01 - 1 month, 1 week ago

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