If x + 3 − 4 x − 1 + x + 8 − 6 x − 1 = 1 what is the sum of all integer values that x can take?
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Without substitution,
x − 1 − 4 x − 1 + 4 + x − 1 − 6 x − 1 + 9 = 1
( x − 1 − 2 ) 2 + ( x − 1 − 3 ) 2 = 1
I find it interesting that any values x ∈ [ 5 , 1 0 ] work. One might initially think that by repeatedly expanding and squaring, we would get a polynomial, but this doesn't seem to be the case.
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The weirdness of the answer makes this qusetion so awesome.
Excuse me sir, if you could recommend me some books from where you find such good questions. Sorry, if it was self made.
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Actually my teacher gave me this problem.
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And you solved it there and then!!!!
One more question if it were Partial Differentiation identities in the picture you posted ?
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@Shivam Hinduja – Actually I've not studied about partial differentiation. I thought they were just questions. No idea whether they are identities are not.
Cant i write +-(sqrt(x-1)-2)+-sqrt(x-1)-3)=1, taking the positive root of first term and negative root of 2nd term we get 1. and x > 1. Equation is true for all values of x greater than 1. Why not say all the values of x =[1,infinity]
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@Murali Kancharla – When you're considering the positive root of the first term. u are actually doing this
x − 1 − 2 ≥ 0
⇒ x ≥ 5
and in the other one u get
x − 1 − 3 ≤ 0
⇒ x ≤ 1 0
although u might be wondering why did I take the equality cases
I did so because ± 0 is the same as 0
@Murali Kancharla – By +- do mean ± ?
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@Aneesh Kundu – Yes . could not type - and + together.
Note: You need to justify why we can make the substitution x = t 2 + 1 . This substitution might not be valid, since it doesn't cover all real numbers (which is presumably the domain of x ).
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We can see domain of x ∈ [ 1 , ∞ ) and the substitution domain is also same
as t 2 ∈ [ 0 , ∞ ) , from here we get the domain of x as [ 1 , ∞ )
thus we can do
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Right. For completeness, that has to be stated.
That's why I said "presumably the domain of x is all real numbers". We need to explain why the domain can be restricted. For example, a substitution of x = sin θ 2 + 1 or x = t 2 + 1 0 will not work, because their range is not the full (valid) domain.
I've seen this question before.
What if we just expanded without making it a perfect square we get 0 = 0 which makes it true for all x ∈ [ 1 , ∞ ] . But if we put value x = 1 we get 4 + 9 = ± 2 + ± 3 = − 2 + 3 = 1 so this function actually give value 1 for every x ∈ [ 1 , ∞ ] but it depends if you take positive or negative square root
So, the integral values that x can assume are 5 and 10 right, making the sum 15 .. So how do we get 45 ? How can x belong in the interval 5-10 . It should probably read x can assume values in the discrete set (5, 10)
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nope, that was my initial thought: but can be 5,6,7,8,9 or 10
So, where did you use the inequality |a| + |b| >= |a+b|? And how do we know that (3-a)(a-2) is non negative?
Let's work the equation: x + 3 − 4 x − 1 + x + 8 − 6 x − 1 = 1 x − 1 − 4 x − 1 + 4 + x − 1 − 6 x − 1 + 9 = 1 ( x − 1 ) 2 − 2 ∗ 2 x − 1 + 2 2 + ( x − 1 ) 2 − 2 ∗ 3 x − 1 + 3 2 = 1 ( x − 1 − 2 ) 2 + ( x − 1 − 3 ) 2 = 1 ∣ x − 1 − 2 ∣ + ∣ x − 1 − 3 ∣ = 1
Let x − 1 = u , where u ≥ 0 . Then the equation looks like this:
∣ u − 2 ∣ + ∣ u − 3 ∣ = 1
There are three cases in terms of u :
C a s e 1 : u ∈ [ 0 ; 2 ) In this case we don't include negative values for u because it is defined only for non-negative values. Here both values in the absolute value bars are negative and therefore out of the bars they are with a minus sign: − ( u − 2 ) − ( u − 3 ) = 1 − 2 u + 5 = 1 2 u = 4 u = 2 which is not in the interval and therefore is not a solution.
C a s e 2 : u ∈ [ 2 ; 3 ] . Here only the value in the second pair of absolute bars is negative so only it is with a minus sign while the other one is with a plus sign: u − 2 − ( u − 3 ) = 1 u − 2 − u + 3 = 1 This is solved to 1 = 1 which is a true equality and so all values of the interval are solutions ⇒ u ∈ [ 2 ; 3 ] .
C a s e 3 : u ∈ ( 3 ; + ∞ ] . In this case both values in the bars are positive and so both of them are with a plus sign when absolute value bars are removed: u − 2 + u − 3 = 1 2 u = 6 u = 3 which is not in the interval for this case and therefore in this case it is not a solution.
To sum up: From the first and the third case we don't have solutions and for the second one we have u ∈ [ 2 ; 3 ] and so all the solutions are from the second case. This can be expressed as a double inequality: 2 ≤ u ≤ 3 When we substitute in u = x − 1 we get: 2 ≤ x − 1 ≤ 3 To solve this for x we need to do the same operations with all the three values ( 2 , x − 1 , 3 in the beginning). 2 ≤ x − 1 ≤ 3 → Raise to power 2 4 ≤ x − 1 ≤ 9 → Add 1 5 ≤ x ≤ 1 0 Therefore we can conclude that all solutions to the equation, which are integers, are 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 and 1 0 and they sum up to 4 5 .
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X can take any value consisting of a square of a number + 1; e.g., 0+1,1+1,4+1,9+1,16+1......... To prove that try x values of 1,2,5,10,17,26,37.............to infinity and use the +- to see that every answer =1. The answer is to the question is INFINITY.
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Hey, I tried those and found that you're wrong!
Let √(x-1) = a, x = a2 + 1, √(x+3-4√(x-1)) + √(x+8-6√(x-1)) = √(a^2+4-4a)+√(a^2+9-6a) = 1 √(a-2)^2 +√( a-3)^2 = 1, or |a – 2| + |a – 3| = 1 a) let a≥3, then 2a = 6, or a=3 b) let 2≤a<3, then 1=1, always true. So √(x-1) = 3, then x=10, 2≤√(x-1)<3, 5≤x<10. And the integer solutions are; 5,6,7,8,9,10. The sum = 45
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Make the substitution x = t 2 + 1 x + 3 − 4 x − 1 + x + 8 − 6 x − 1 = 1 ⇒ ( t 2 + 1 ) + 3 − 4 ( t 2 + 1 ) − 1 + ( t 2 + 1 ) + 8 − 6 ( t 2 + 1 ) − 1 = 1 ⇒ t 2 + 1 + 3 − 4 ∣ t ∣ + t 2 + 1 + 8 − 6 ∣ t ∣ = 1 ⇒ ∣ t ∣ 2 − 4 ∣ t ∣ + 4 + ∣ t ∣ 2 − 6 ∣ t ∣ + 9 = 1 Make the substituion ∣ t ∣ = a ⇒ ( a − 2 ) 2 + ( a − 3 ) 2 = 1 ⇒ ∣ a − 2 ∣ + ∣ a − 3 ∣ = 1 ⇒ ∣ 3 − a ∣ + ∣ a − 2 ∣ = 1 We can see ( 3 − a ) + ( a − 2 ) = 1 And we know that ∣ a ∣ + ∣ b ∣ ≥ ∣ a + b ∣ And equality holds when a and b have like sign. So we have, ( 3 − a ) ( a − 2 ) ≥ 0 ⇒ ( a − 3 ) ( a − 2 ) ≤ 0 ⇒ a ∈ [ 2 , 3 ] Reverting back to t ⇒ t ∈ [ 2 , 3 ] ∪ [ − 3 , − 2 ] Since t = a − 1 , we have x ∈ [ 5 , 1 0 ]