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Algebra Level 3

If x + 3 4 x 1 + x + 8 6 x 1 = 1 \sqrt{x+3-4\sqrt{x-1}}+\sqrt{x+8-6\sqrt{x-1}}=1 what is the sum of all integer values that x x can take?


The answer is 45.

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4 solutions

Aneesh Kundu
Dec 31, 2014

Make the substitution x = t 2 + 1 x=t^2+1 x + 3 4 x 1 + x + 8 6 x 1 = 1 \sqrt{x+3-4\sqrt{x-1}}+\sqrt{x+8-6\sqrt{x-1}}=1 ( t 2 + 1 ) + 3 4 ( t 2 + 1 ) 1 + ( t 2 + 1 ) + 8 6 ( t 2 + 1 ) 1 = 1 \Rightarrow\sqrt{(t^2+1)+3-4\sqrt{(t^2+1)-1}}+\sqrt{(t^2+1)+8-6\sqrt{(t^2+1)-1}}=1 t 2 + 1 + 3 4 t + t 2 + 1 + 8 6 t = 1 \Rightarrow\sqrt{t^2+1+3-4|t|}+\sqrt{t^2+1+8-6|t|}=1 t 2 4 t + 4 + t 2 6 t + 9 = 1 \Rightarrow\sqrt{|t|^2-4|t|+4}+\sqrt{|t|^2-6|t|+9}=1 Make the substituion t = a |t|=a ( a 2 ) 2 + ( a 3 ) 2 = 1 \Rightarrow\sqrt{(a-2)^2}+\sqrt{(a-3)^2}=1 a 2 + a 3 = 1 \Rightarrow |a-2|+|a-3|=1 3 a + a 2 = 1 \Rightarrow |3-a|+|a-2|=1 We can see ( 3 a ) + ( a 2 ) = 1 (3-a)+(a-2)=1 And we know that a + b a + b |a|+|b|\geq|a+b| And equality holds when a a and b b have like sign. So we have, ( 3 a ) ( a 2 ) 0 (3-a)(a-2)\geq 0 ( a 3 ) ( a 2 ) 0 \Rightarrow (a-3)(a-2)\leq 0 a [ 2 , 3 ] \Rightarrow a\in [2,3] Reverting back to t t t [ 2 , 3 ] [ 3 , 2 ] \Rightarrow t\in [2,3]\cup [-3,-2] Since t = a 1 t=\sqrt{a-1} , we have x [ 5 , 10 ] \boxed{x\in [5,10]}

Without substitution,

x 1 4 x 1 + 4 + x 1 6 x 1 + 9 = 1 \sqrt{x - 1 - 4\sqrt{x-1} + 4} + \sqrt{x-1 - 6\sqrt{x-1} + 9} = 1

( x 1 2 ) 2 + ( x 1 3 ) 2 = 1 \sqrt{(\sqrt{x-1} - 2)^2} + \sqrt{(\sqrt{x-1} - 3)^2} = 1

U Z - 6 years, 5 months ago

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That's the way I did it.

Shivam Hinduja - 6 years, 5 months ago

I find it interesting that any values x [ 5 , 10 ] x\in [5,10] work. One might initially think that by repeatedly expanding and squaring, we would get a polynomial, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 5 months ago

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The weirdness of the answer makes this qusetion so awesome.

Aneesh Kundu - 6 years, 5 months ago

Excuse me sir, if you could recommend me some books from where you find such good questions. Sorry, if it was self made.

Shivam Hinduja - 6 years, 5 months ago

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Actually my teacher gave me this problem.

Aneesh Kundu - 6 years, 5 months ago

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And you solved it there and then!!!!

One more question if it were Partial Differentiation identities in the picture you posted ?

Shivam Hinduja - 6 years, 5 months ago

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@Shivam Hinduja Actually I've not studied about partial differentiation. I thought they were just questions. No idea whether they are identities are not.

Aneesh Kundu - 6 years, 5 months ago

Cant i write +-(sqrt(x-1)-2)+-sqrt(x-1)-3)=1, taking the positive root of first term and negative root of 2nd term we get 1. and x > 1. Equation is true for all values of x greater than 1. Why not say all the values of x =[1,infinity]

Murali Kancharla - 6 years, 5 months ago

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@Murali Kancharla When you're considering the positive root of the first term. u are actually doing this

x 1 2 0 \sqrt{x-1}-2\geq 0

x 5 \Rightarrow x\geq 5

and in the other one u get

x 1 3 0 \sqrt{x-1}-3\leq 0

x 10 \Rightarrow x\leq 10

although u might be wondering why did I take the equality cases

I did so because ± 0 \pm 0 is the same as 0

Aneesh Kundu - 6 years, 5 months ago

@Murali Kancharla By +- do mean ± \pm ?

Aneesh Kundu - 6 years, 5 months ago

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@Aneesh Kundu Yes . could not type - and + together.

Murali Kancharla - 6 years, 5 months ago

Note: You need to justify why we can make the substitution x = t 2 + 1 x = t^2 + 1 . This substitution might not be valid, since it doesn't cover all real numbers (which is presumably the domain of x x ).

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 5 months ago

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We can see domain of x [ 1 , ) x \in [1, \infty) and the substitution domain is also same

as t 2 [ 0 , ) t^2 \in [0 , \infty) , from here we get the domain of x as [ 1 , ) [1 , \infty)

thus we can do

U Z - 6 years, 5 months ago

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Right. For completeness, that has to be stated.

That's why I said "presumably the domain of x x is all real numbers". We need to explain why the domain can be restricted. For example, a substitution of x = sin θ 2 + 1 x= \sin \theta ^2 + 1 or x = t 2 + 10 x = t^2 + 10 will not work, because their range is not the full (valid) domain.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 5 months ago

I've seen this question before.

Pranav Kirsur - 6 years, 2 months ago

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This is in our daily workout!

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 2 months ago

What if we just expanded without making it a perfect square we get 0 = 0 0 = 0 which makes it true for all x [ 1 , ] x \in [1,\infty] . But if we put value x = 1 x =1 we get 4 + 9 = ± 2 + ± 3 = 2 + 3 = 1 \sqrt{4} + \sqrt {9} = \pm2 + \pm3 = -2 + 3 =1 so this function actually give value 1 1 for every x [ 1 , ] x \in [1,\infty] but it depends if you take positive or negative square root

neelesh vij - 5 years, 5 months ago

So, the integral values that x can assume are 5 and 10 right, making the sum 15 .. So how do we get 45 ? How can x belong in the interval 5-10 . It should probably read x can assume values in the discrete set (5, 10)

Sundar R - 4 years, 9 months ago

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nope, that was my initial thought: but can be 5,6,7,8,9 or 10

Michael Gilbart-Smith - 4 years, 3 months ago

So, where did you use the inequality |a| + |b| >= |a+b|? And how do we know that (3-a)(a-2) is non negative?

Anu Radha - 2 years, 9 months ago
Veselin Dimov
Dec 30, 2018

Let's work the equation: x + 3 4 x 1 + x + 8 6 x 1 = 1 \sqrt{x+3-4\sqrt {x-1}}+\sqrt{x+8-6\sqrt{x-1}}=1 x 1 4 x 1 + 4 + x 1 6 x 1 + 9 = 1 \sqrt{x-1-4\sqrt{x-1}+4}+\sqrt{x-1-6\sqrt{x-1}+9}=1 ( x 1 ) 2 2 2 x 1 + 2 2 + ( x 1 ) 2 2 3 x 1 + 3 2 = 1 \sqrt{\sqrt{(x-1)^2}-2*2\sqrt{x-1}+2^2}+\sqrt{\sqrt{(x-1)^2}-2*3\sqrt{x-1}+3^2}=1 ( x 1 2 ) 2 + ( x 1 3 ) 2 = 1 \sqrt{(\sqrt{x-1}-2)^2}+\sqrt{(\sqrt{x-1}-3)^2}=1 x 1 2 + x 1 3 = 1 |\sqrt{x-1}-2|+|\sqrt{x-1}-3|=1

Let x 1 = u \sqrt{x-1}=u , where u 0 u≥0 . Then the equation looks like this:

u 2 + u 3 = 1 |u-2|+|u-3|=1

There are three cases in terms of u u :

C a s e Case 1 : u [ 0 ; 2 ) 1: u\in[0; 2) In this case we don't include negative values for u u because it is defined only for non-negative values. Here both values in the absolute value bars are negative and therefore out of the bars they are with a minus sign: ( u 2 ) ( u 3 ) = 1 -(u-2)-(u-3)=1 2 u + 5 = 1 -2u+5=1 2 u = 4 2u=4 u = 2 u=2 which is not in the interval and therefore is not a solution.

C a s e Case 2 : u [ 2 ; 3 ] 2: u\in[2; 3] . Here only the value in the second pair of absolute bars is negative so only it is with a minus sign while the other one is with a plus sign: u 2 ( u 3 ) = 1 u-2-(u-3)=1 u 2 u + 3 = 1 u-2-u+3=1 This is solved to 1 = 1 1=1 which is a true equality and so all values of the interval are solutions u [ 2 ; 3 ] \Rightarrow u\in[2; 3] .

C a s e Case 3 : u ( 3 ; + ] 3: u\in(3; +∞] . In this case both values in the bars are positive and so both of them are with a plus sign when absolute value bars are removed: u 2 + u 3 = 1 u-2+u-3=1 2 u = 6 2u=6 u = 3 u=3 which is not in the interval for this case and therefore in this case it is not a solution.

To sum up: From the first and the third case we don't have solutions and for the second one we have u [ 2 ; 3 ] u\in[2; 3] and so all the solutions are from the second case. This can be expressed as a double inequality: 2 u 3 2≤u≤3 When we substitute in u = x 1 u=\sqrt{x-1} we get: 2 x 1 3 2≤\sqrt{x-1}≤3 To solve this for x x we need to do the same operations with all the three values ( 2 , x 1 , 3 2, \sqrt{x-1}, 3 in the beginning). 2 x 1 3 Raise to power 2 2≤\sqrt{x-1}≤3 \rightarrow\textit{Raise to power 2} 4 x 1 9 Add 1 4≤x-1≤9 \rightarrow \textit{Add 1} 5 x 10 5≤x≤10 Therefore we can conclude that all solutions to the equation, which are integers, are 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 10 and they sum up to 45 \fbox{45} .

Dan Evans
Apr 7, 2017

cheated...... solving numerically. i'm an engineer.

X can take any value consisting of a square of a number + 1; e.g., 0+1,1+1,4+1,9+1,16+1......... To prove that try x values of 1,2,5,10,17,26,37.............to infinity and use the +- to see that every answer =1. The answer is to the question is INFINITY.

James O'Reilly - 3 years, 9 months ago

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Hey, I tried those and found that you're wrong!

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 7 months ago
Rab Gani
Jan 25, 2019

Let √(x-1) = a, x = a2 + 1, √(x+3-4√(x-1)) + √(x+8-6√(x-1)) = √(a^2+4-4a)+√(a^2+9-6a) = 1 √(a-2)^2 +√( a-3)^2 = 1, or |a – 2| + |a – 3| = 1 a) let a≥3, then 2a = 6, or a=3 b) let 2≤a<3, then 1=1, always true. So √(x-1) = 3, then x=10, 2≤√(x-1)<3, 5≤x<10. And the integer solutions are; 5,6,7,8,9,10. The sum = 45

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