The Cuboid must be a Cube?

Geometry Level 1

True or False?

For positive reals a , a, b , b, and c , c, if 3 a b c = a 3 + b 3 + c 3 , 3abc = a^3 + b^3 + c^3, then it is necessarily true that a = b = c . a=b=c.


Note : One can interpret this geometrically. Consider a cuboid with side lengths a , b , c , a,b,c, and three cubes with respective side lengths a , b , c . a,b,c. If the sum of the volumes of the cubes is the same as three times the volume of the cuboid, then is the cuboid necessarily a cube?

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7 solutions

Steven Yuan
Dec 2, 2017

The relation can be written as

a 3 + b 3 + c 3 3 = a b c . \dfrac{a^3 + b^3 + c^3}{3} = abc.

However, by the AM-GM inequality, we have

a 3 + b 3 + c 3 3 a 3 b 3 c 3 3 = a b c . \dfrac{a^3 + b^3 + c^3}{3} \geq \sqrt[3]{a^3b^3c^3} = abc.

Note that a , b , c a, b, c are positive real numbers due to them being the side lengths of cubes, so AM-GM can be applied here.

Since we have equality, the side lengths must satisfy the equality conditions of AM-GM, meaning that a 3 = b 3 = c 3 , a^3 = b^3 = c^3, or a = b = c . a = b = c. Thus, it is true that Babu’s cuboid is necessarily a cube because its side lengths are all the same.

Moderator note:

Note this problem has an strong link to the second Intermediate problem from last week asking about solutions to a 2 + b 2 = a b . a^2 + b^2 = ab .

It's possible to solve last week's problem with a method very similar to the one here; the difference is we can get a 2 + b 2 > a b a^2 + b^2 > ab for positive a a and b b meaning the only solutions in such a case are a = b = 0. a = b = 0 .

Also note that through the AM-GM inequality , we also have the generalization: i = 1 n a i n n i = 1 n a i , for all a i 0 \sum_{i=1}^n\, a_i^n \ge n \prod_{i=1}^n\, a_i \text{, for all } a_i \ge 0 with equality if and only if all a i a_i are equal.

Tom Verhoeff - 3 years, 5 months ago

We start by translating the given relation "The sum of the volumes of the cubes is three times the volume of the cuboid" into the following mathematical equation.

a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = 3 a b c a^3+b^3+c^3=3abc

Now, a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = 3 a b c a^3+b^3+c^3=3abc

a 3 + b 3 + c 3 3 a b c = 0 \implies a^3+b^3+c^3-3abc=0

( a + b ) 3 3 a b ( a + b ) + c 3 3 a b c = 0 \implies (a+b)^3-3ab(a+b)+c^3-3abc=0

( a + b ) 3 + c 3 3 a b ( a + b ) 3 a b c = 0 \implies (a+b)^3+c^3-3ab(a+b)-3abc=0

( a + b + c ) { ( a + b ) 2 ( a + b ) c + c 2 } 3 a b ( a + b + c ) = 0 \implies (a+b+c)\{(a+b)^2-(a+b)c+c^2\}-3ab(a+b+c)=0

( a + b + c ) ( a 2 + 2 a b + b 2 c a b c + c 2 3 a b ) = 0 \implies (a+b+c)(a^2+2ab+b^2-ca-bc+c^2-3ab)=0

a 2 + b 2 + c 2 a b b c c a = 0 \implies a^2+b^2+c^2-ab-bc-ca=0 [As a + b + c 0 a+b+c \neq 0 ]

2 a 2 + 2 b 2 + 2 c 2 2 a b 2 a c 2 c a = 0 \implies 2a^2+2b^2+2c^2-2ab-2ac-2ca=0

( a b ) 2 + ( b c ) 2 + ( c a ) 2 = 0 \implies (a-b)^2+(b-c)^2+(c-a)^2=0

( a b ) 2 = ( b c ) 2 = ( c a ) 2 = 0 \implies (a-b)^2=(b-c)^2=(c-a)^2=0

a b = b c = c a = 0 \implies a-b=b-c=c-a=0

a = b = c \implies a=b=c .

So, Yes \boxed{\text{Yes}} , Babu's cuboid is necessarily a cube.

Hey could you prove that "the sum of the volumes of the cube is three times the volume of the cuboid" ?

Aman thegreat - 3 years, 6 months ago

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It's the premise.

Muhammad Rasel Parvej - 3 years, 6 months ago

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Could you elaborate ?

Aman thegreat - 3 years, 6 months ago

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@Aman Thegreat It's given.

Muhammad Rasel Parvej - 3 years, 6 months ago

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@Muhammad Rasel Parvej Yes, I know that, but still can you prove it? Just curious how that formula was derived.

Aman thegreat - 3 years, 6 months ago

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@Aman Thegreat It's not a general formula. It's a relation between Babu's cuboid and his cubes.

Muhammad Rasel Parvej - 3 years, 6 months ago

Why is a+b+c unequal to 0

Saksham Jain - 3 years, 5 months ago

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Geometrically, a 'cuboid' with the sum of its length ( a ) (a) , breadth ( b ) (b) and height ( c ) (c) is zero is not a cuboid; it's a point.

Muhammad Rasel Parvej - 3 years, 5 months ago

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but the main question does not state that its just a hint

Saksham Jain - 3 years, 5 months ago

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@Saksham Jain Even if you consider a + b + c = 0 a+b+c=0 , it again implies that a = b = c = 0 a=b=c=0

Vighnesh Raut - 3 years, 5 months ago

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@Vighnesh Raut yes,if we are considering note,but according to main text they are reals so this is possible without a = b = c a=b=c

Saksham Jain - 3 years, 5 months ago

Its is not a point either. It is just a void.

Vighnesh Raut - 3 years, 5 months ago

How did you factor out (a+b+c) from the first 2 terms in line 3?

Patrick Jedrysek - 3 years, 5 months ago

a^3+b^3+c^3-3abc = (a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2-bc-ca-ab) = 0, The first bracket cannot be zero as a, b and c are positive. The second bracket = {(b-c)^2+(c-a)^2+(a-b)^2}/2, which is zero only if a=b=c

Can't we directly say that it is right considering the fact that a3+b3+c3=3abc only when a=b=c So the cuboid has to be cube in the first place?

Karthika G Kumar - 3 years, 5 months ago

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How is it that intuitive?

Vighnesh Raut - 3 years, 5 months ago

We don't have this statement to go by. It is the statement we are trying to prove or disprove.

Stewart Gordon - 3 years, 5 months ago
Shuhong Chen
Dec 22, 2017

This can be shown by a visual proof of the first octant, where a , b , c a,b,c are coordinates x , y , z x,y,z .

f ( x , y , z ) = x 3 + y 3 + z 3 f(x,y,z) = x^3 + y^3 + z^3 is concave with respect to the origin; the farthest euclidean distance from the origin on a level surface f ( x , y , z ) = k f(x,y,z)=k is achieved when x = y = z x=y=z .

g ( x , y , z ) = 3 x y z g(x,y,z) = 3xyz is convex with respect to the origin; the closest euclidean distance to the origin on a level surface g ( x , y , z ) = k g(x,y,z)=k is achieved when x = y = z x=y=z .

Thus for the point ( x , y , z ) (x,y,z) , if x = y = z x=y=z , the level surfaces of f f and g g containing that point would have the same k k value, so k = f ( x , y , z ) = g ( x , y , z ) k=f(x,y,z)=g(x,y,z) .

But if x = y = z x=y=z were not true, the point ( x , y , z ) (x,y,z) would be on different level surfaces of f f and g g , meaning f ( x , y , z ) g ( x , y , z ) f(x,y,z) \neq g(x,y,z) .

Arjen Vreugdenhil
Dec 17, 2017

( a + b + c ) 3 = 3 ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) ( a + b + c ) + 6 a b c 2 ( a 3 + b 3 + c 3 ) ; (a + b + c)^3 = 3(a^2 + b^2 + c^2)(a + b + c) + 6abc - 2(a^3 + b^3 + c^3); with the given assumption, the last two terms cancel; divide out a + b + c a + b + c to obtain ( a + b + c ) 2 = 3 ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) . (a + b + c)^2 = 3(a^2 + b^2 + c^2). Expand the left-hand side and reduce to a b + b c + a c = a 2 + b 2 + c 2 . ab + bc + ac = a^2 + b^2 + c^2. This can be further reduced to ( c a ) ( b a ) + ( c b ) 2 = 0. (c-a)(b-a) + (c - b)^2 = 0. We are free to rearrange so that a b c a \leq b \leq c , making the two terms on the left non-negative. But then both ( c a ) ( b a ) (c-a)(b-a) and ( c b ) 2 (c-b)^2 must be zero; thus { c b = 0 either c a = 0 or b a = 0 , \begin{cases} c - b = 0 \\ \text{either}\ c-a = 0\ \text{or}\ b-a = 0,\end{cases} showing that a = b = c \boxed{a = b = c} .

The intention in the last step is clear, but shouldn't it read a b c a \le b \le c ?

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 2 months ago
Clement Wan
Dec 23, 2017

Ordering a, b, c so c>=b>=a:

Let j=b-a>=0, k=c-a>=0

3abc =3a(a+j)(a+k) =3(a^3+ja^2+ka^2+ajk)

a^3+b^3+c^3 =a^3+(a+j)^3+(a+k)^3 =3a^3+3ja^2+3aj^2+j^3+3ka^2+3ak^2+k^3

a>0 so j=k=0 so a=b=c

David Vreken
Dec 18, 2017

If 3 a b c = a 3 + b 3 + c 3 3abc = a^3 + b^3 + c^3 and if a = x a = x , then x 3 3 b c x + b 3 + c 3 = 0 x^3 - 3bcx + b^3 + c^3 = 0 . Then graphically, all solutions for a positive real number a = x a = x would include all positive real x-intercepts of y = x 3 3 b c x + b 3 + c 3 y = x^3 - 3bcx + b^3 + c^3 , where b > 0 b > 0 and c > 0 c > 0 .

The local maximum and minimum points of y = x 3 3 b c x + b 3 + c 3 y = x^3 - 3bcx + b^3 + c^3 would be when y = 3 x 2 3 b c = 0 y’ = 3x^2 - 3bc = 0 , or at x = ± b c x = \pm \sqrt{bc} . Testing x = 2 b c x = -2\sqrt{bc} , x = 0 x = 0 , and x = 2 b c x = 2\sqrt{bc} shows that this graph has a local maximum at x = b c x = -\sqrt{bc} and a local minimum at x = b c x = \sqrt{bc} . The local maximum height is therefore

y = ( b c ) 3 3 b c ( b c ) + b 3 + c 3 y = (-\sqrt{bc})^3 - 3bc(-\sqrt{bc}) + b^3 + c^3

y = b c b c + 3 b c b c + b 3 + c 3 y = -bc\sqrt{bc} + 3bc\sqrt{bc} + b^3 + c^3

y = 2 b c b c + b 3 + c 3 y = 2bc\sqrt{bc} + b^3 + c^3

y = b 3 + 2 b c b c + c 3 y = b^3 + 2bc\sqrt{bc} + c^3

y = ( b b ) 2 + 2 ( b b ) ( c c ) + ( c c ) 2 y = (b\sqrt{b})^2 + 2(b\sqrt{b})(c\sqrt{c}) + (c\sqrt{c})^2

y = ( b b + c c ) 2 y = (b\sqrt{b} + c\sqrt{c})^2

which is necessarily positive if b and c are real numbers.

Similarly, the local minimum height is

y = ( b c ) 3 3 b c ( b c ) + b 3 + c 3 y = (\sqrt{bc})^3 - 3bc(\sqrt{bc}) + b^3 + c^3

y = b c b c 3 b c b c + b 3 + c 3 y = bc\sqrt{bc} - 3bc\sqrt{bc} + b^3 + c^3

y = 2 b c b c + b 3 + c 3 y = -2bc\sqrt{bc} + b^3 + c^3

y = b 3 2 b c b c + c 3 y = b^3 - 2bc\sqrt{bc} + c^3

y = ( b b ) 2 2 ( b b ) ( c c ) + ( c c ) 2 y = (b\sqrt{b})^2 - 2(b\sqrt{b})(c\sqrt{c}) + (c\sqrt{c})^2

y = ( b b c c ) 2 y = (b\sqrt{b} - c\sqrt{c})^2

which is either 0 0 if b b c c = 0 b\sqrt{b} - c\sqrt{c} = 0 or otherwise positive. If the local minimum height is positive, then for x > 0 x > 0 the graph’s height decreases to a positive local minimum height and then increases, which means there are no positive x-intercepts, or no positive real solutions for a a . If the local minimum height is 0 0 , then for x > 0 x > 0 the graph’s height decreases to a local minimum height of 0 0 and then increases, which means there is one positive x-intercept at the local minimum of ( b c , b b c c ) (\sqrt{bc}, b\sqrt{b} - c\sqrt{c}) , where b b c c = 0 b\sqrt{b} - c\sqrt{c} = 0 . Solving this gives b = c b = c , and if b = c b = c then x = a = b c = b = c x = a = \sqrt{bc} = b = c . Since this is the only possible positive real x-intercept, it is necessarily true that a = b = c a = b = c .

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