4 9 0 0 π sq mi. Starting from a randomly chosen point P on the forest's circumference and walking only in one direction in a straight line, what is the maximum number of miles into the woods can you travel?
A perfectly circular forest had an area of
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-_- I answered 140... Feeling like cheated!
What if I'm Sreejato and start digging into the forest?
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Should I add a note at the bottom saying "assume you're not Sreejato"
XD LOL, and why is it always Sreejato? Why not Prasun? I mean, his profile picture is literally a troll face.
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You don't say you don't know. Everyone knows Sreejato can dig into the forest.
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@Satvik Golechha – 😐 👍. I'll just say yes. Hahaha.
You should ask 'how many maximum miles into the woods' instead of just 'how many miles into the wood' because there are infinite possibilities of choosing a path from a single point.
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The interpretation I finally went with for "how many miles .... can you travel" is the maximum possible distance one could travel amongst all possible directions of travel, i.e., along a diameter. If the direction of travel were truly random, then the expected distance you would travel to get out of the forest would be π 4 r = π 2 8 0 miles, (and the expected distance traveled "into the woods" would be π 1 4 0 miles).
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Ahh, now I understand what you meant. Sorry for the ambiguity.
Btw, this has inspired me to make a new problem. Although I probably won't post it soon as I'm quite busy.
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@Trevor Arashiro – One good problem leads to another. :)
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@Brian Charlesworth – I think it's a little more like,
"One very ambiguous problem+one possible misinterpretation of the confusing problem wording=inspiration for a new problem." :P
I'm curious, how did you get this answer? Did you use MVT?
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@Trevor Arashiro – Yes, that's right. First, without loss of generality, fix a starting point on the circumference. Draw a diameter through this point, and let the central angle θ measured relative to the starting point vary uniformly from 0 to π . (By symmetry we only have to consider "exit" points on one half of the circle). This will cover all the "exit" points on one half of the circle. Now, using the Cosine rule, the length L ( θ ) of a chord for a given value of θ is given by
L 2 = 2 r 2 ( 1 − cos ( θ ) ) = 2 r 2 ( 1 − ( 2 cos 2 ( 2 θ ) − 1 ) ) =
4 r 2 ( 1 − cos 2 ( 2 θ ) ) = 4 r 2 sin 2 ( 2 θ )
⟹ L = 2 r sin ( 2 θ ) for 0 ≤ θ ≤ π .
Thus, using the MVT, the expected length of a path out of the forest will be
π 1 ∫ 0 π 2 r sin ( 2 θ ) d θ = π 4 r ∫ 0 2 π sin ( u ) d u = π 4 r ( − cos ( 2 π ) − ( − cos ( 0 ) ) ) = π 4 r .
Note that the substitution u = 2 θ was made, giving us 2 d u = d θ with u going from 0 to 2 π as θ went from 0 to π .
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@Brian Charlesworth – Wow, I never knew you had to change π to 2 π when using u-sub like that. Why doesn't it change back to π ? Because it seems like it would revert after resubstituting for θ
Do you mind if I use this for my next problem?
And did it occur to you at any time while you were working on this problem that the advanced methods you were using seemed a little absurd for a 10 point problem? Lol.
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@Trevor Arashiro – Haha. No, not really. Every large oak starts as a little acorn. :D
With the change in bounds after the U-sub, you don't have to change back since you are now working with the new variable u with the appropriately altered bounds. You could also do the U-sub and solve the integral as an indefinite integral, and once you have the − cos ( u ) result change back to − cos ( 2 θ ) and then apply the original bounds. It's really a matter of preference which approach you take: I use one or the other depending on the situation, such that for relatively simple ones I change the bounds when I do the U-sub, while for more complicated integrals I might choose to just solve the indefinite integral first and then convert back to the original variable and bounds, (less potential for mistakes that way).
And please, be my guest to use my analysis for your next problem; I'll keep an eye out for it. :)
But let's say I'm halfway through, that is at the centre. How do I know? If I still keep going forward, I will think that I'm going deeper into the forest..
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It doesn't matter if you know or not, all that matters is what you are doing, not what you think you're doing.
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Yes, Yoda. :)
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@Brian Charlesworth – Yoda, I am. Speak backwards, I do.
And why doesn't it matter?
the longest chord in the circle is the diameter which is also the maximum number of miles that can travel
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The diameter of the circle is 140mi. You can only walk halfway INTO the forest, as when you pass the halfway mark, you will technically be traveling OUT of the forest.