The forest

Geometry Level 2

A perfectly circular forest had an area of 4900 π 4900\pi sq mi. Starting from a randomly chosen point P on the forest's circumference and walking only in one direction in a straight line, what is the maximum number of miles into \textbf{into} the woods can you travel?

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2 solutions

Trevor Arashiro
Feb 8, 2015

The diameter of the circle is 140mi. You can only walk halfway INTO the forest, as when you pass the halfway mark, you will technically be traveling OUT of the forest.

-_- I answered 140... Feeling like cheated!

Pranjal Jain - 6 years, 4 months ago

What if I'm Sreejato and start digging into the forest?

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Should I add a note at the bottom saying "assume you're not Sreejato"

XD LOL, and why is it always Sreejato? Why not Prasun? I mean, his profile picture is literally a troll face.

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 4 months ago

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You don't say you don't know. Everyone knows Sreejato can dig into the forest.

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Satvik Golechha 😐 👍. I'll just say yes. Hahaha.

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 4 months ago

You should ask 'how many maximum miles into the woods' instead of just 'how many miles into the wood' because there are infinite possibilities of choosing a path from a single point.

Purushottam Abhisheikh - 6 years, 4 months ago

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The interpretation I finally went with for "how many miles .... can you travel" is the maximum possible distance one could travel amongst all possible directions of travel, i.e., along a diameter. If the direction of travel were truly random, then the expected distance you would travel to get out of the forest would be 4 r π = 280 π \dfrac{4r}{\pi} = \dfrac{280}{\pi} miles, (and the expected distance traveled "into the woods" would be 140 π \dfrac{140}{\pi} miles).

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Ahh, now I understand what you meant. Sorry for the ambiguity.

Btw, this has inspired me to make a new problem. Although I probably won't post it soon as I'm quite busy.

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Trevor Arashiro One good problem leads to another. :)

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Brian Charlesworth I think it's a little more like,

"One very ambiguous problem+one possible misinterpretation of the confusing problem wording=inspiration for a new problem." :P

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 4 months ago

I'm curious, how did you get this answer? Did you use MVT?

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 3 months ago

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@Trevor Arashiro Yes, that's right. First, without loss of generality, fix a starting point on the circumference. Draw a diameter through this point, and let the central angle θ \theta measured relative to the starting point vary uniformly from 0 0 to π \pi . (By symmetry we only have to consider "exit" points on one half of the circle). This will cover all the "exit" points on one half of the circle. Now, using the Cosine rule, the length L ( θ ) L(\theta) of a chord for a given value of θ \theta is given by

L 2 = 2 r 2 ( 1 cos ( θ ) ) = 2 r 2 ( 1 ( 2 cos 2 ( θ 2 ) 1 ) ) = L^{2} = 2r^{2}(1 - \cos(\theta)) = 2r^{2}(1 - (2\cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2}) - 1)) =

4 r 2 ( 1 cos 2 ( θ 2 ) ) = 4 r 2 sin 2 ( θ 2 ) 4r^{2}(1 - \cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2})) = 4r^{2}\sin^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2})

L = 2 r sin ( θ 2 ) \Longrightarrow L = 2r\sin(\frac{\theta}{2}) for 0 θ π . 0 \le \theta \le \pi.

Thus, using the MVT, the expected length of a path out of the forest will be

1 π 0 π 2 r sin ( θ 2 ) d θ = 4 r π 0 π 2 sin ( u ) d u = 4 r π ( cos ( π 2 ) ( cos ( 0 ) ) ) = 4 r π . \displaystyle\dfrac{1}{\pi}\int_{0}^{\pi} 2r\sin(\frac{\theta}{2}) d\theta = \dfrac{4r}{\pi}\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \sin(u) du = \dfrac{4r}{\pi}(-\cos(\frac{\pi}{2}) - (-\cos(0))) = \dfrac{4r}{\pi}.

Note that the substitution u = θ 2 u = \frac{\theta}{2} was made, giving us 2 d u = d θ 2 du = d\theta with u u going from 0 0 to π 2 \frac{\pi}{2} as θ \theta went from 0 0 to π \pi .

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 3 months ago

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@Brian Charlesworth Wow, I never knew you had to change π \pi to π 2 \frac{\pi}{2} when using u-sub like that. Why doesn't it change back to π \pi ? Because it seems like it would revert after resubstituting for θ \theta

Do you mind if I use this for my next problem?

And did it occur to you at any time while you were working on this problem that the advanced methods you were using seemed a little absurd for a 10 point problem? Lol.

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 3 months ago

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@Trevor Arashiro Haha. No, not really. Every large oak starts as a little acorn. :D

With the change in bounds after the U-sub, you don't have to change back since you are now working with the new variable u u with the appropriately altered bounds. You could also do the U-sub and solve the integral as an indefinite integral, and once you have the cos ( u ) -\cos(u) result change back to cos ( θ 2 ) -\cos(\frac{\theta}{2}) and then apply the original bounds. It's really a matter of preference which approach you take: I use one or the other depending on the situation, such that for relatively simple ones I change the bounds when I do the U-sub, while for more complicated integrals I might choose to just solve the indefinite integral first and then convert back to the original variable and bounds, (less potential for mistakes that way).

And please, be my guest to use my analysis for your next problem; I'll keep an eye out for it. :)

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 3 months ago

But let's say I'm halfway through, that is at the centre. How do I know? If I still keep going forward, I will think that I'm going deeper into the forest..

Shabarish Ch - 6 years, 4 months ago

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It doesn't matter if you know or not, all that matters is what you are doing, not what you think you're doing.

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Yes, Yoda. :)

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Brian Charlesworth Yoda, I am. Speak backwards, I do.

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Trevor Arashiro Yoda wise.

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 4 months ago

And why doesn't it matter?

Shabarish Ch - 6 years, 4 months ago
Fox To-ong
Feb 11, 2015

the longest chord in the circle is the diameter which is also the maximum number of miles that can travel

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