Stacking Logs Side By Side

Algebra Level 3

Find the sum of the roots of the equation

( log 3 x ) ( log 4 x ) ( log 5 x ) = ( log 3 x ) ( log 4 x ) + ( log 4 x ) ( log 5 x ) + ( log 3 x ) ( log 5 x ) . (\log_3x)(\log_4x)(\log_5x) = (\log_3x)(\log_4x) +(\log_4x)(\log_5x) +(\log_3x)(\log_5x).


The answer is 61.

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3 solutions

Jubayer Nirjhor
May 16, 2014

Set log 3 x = a \log_3 x=a , log 4 x = b \log_4 x=b , log 5 x = c \log_5 x=c . Then we have: a b c = a b + b c + c a abc=ab+bc+ca Suppose a , b , c 0 a,b,c\neq 0 . Then dividing by a b c abc gives: 1 a + 1 b + 1 c = 1 \dfrac{1}{a}+\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{c}=1 Note that: 1 a = 1 log 3 x = log x 3 \dfrac{1}{a}=\dfrac{1}{\log_3 x}=\log_x 3 . Similarly, 1 b = log x 4 \dfrac{1}{b}=\log_x 4 and 1 c = log x 5 \dfrac{1}{c}=\log_x 5 . So we have: 1 a + 1 b + 1 c = log x 3 + log x 4 + log x 5 = log x 60 = 1 x = 60 \dfrac{1}{a}+\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{c}=\log_x 3+\log_x 4+\log_x 5=\log_x 60=1 ~~~\Longrightarrow ~ x=60 When one of a , b , c a,b,c is 0 0 , suppose a = 0 a=0 , then log 3 x = 0 \log_3 x=0 which implies x = 1 x=1 . So the answer is: 60 + 1 = 61. 60+1=61.

what to do ,if the product of roots of the given equation is asked????

Akshat Rastogi - 5 years, 3 months ago

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60*1 = 60.

Shourya Pandey - 5 years, 2 months ago

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can u please elaborate......why?????/

Akshat Rastogi - 5 years, 2 months ago

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@Akshat Rastogi The two solutions were 60 and 1

Jerry McKenzie - 4 years, 11 months ago

Why at last we have to add 1?

priyanshi paliwal - 5 years ago

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because sum of roots is asked

Akshat Rastogi - 4 years, 11 months ago

I think we have three factors- (lnx), (lnx), (lnx-ln5-ln4-ln3). So, I think the answer should be 62. How is it coming to 61?? Please explain.

Shwet Ranjan - 3 years, 9 months ago

Change the basis, where

log 3 x = ln x ln 3 \log_{3} x =\frac{\ln x}{\ln 3} , log 4 x = ln x ln 4 \log_{4} x =\frac{\ln x}{\ln 4} , log 5 x = ln x ln 5 \log_{5} x =\frac{\ln x}{\ln 5}

then,

log 3 x log 4 x log 5 x = log 3 x log 4 x + log 4 x log 5 x + log 5 x log 3 x \log_{3} x \log_{4} x \log_{5} x = \log_{3} x \log_{4} x + \log_{4} x \log_{5} x + \log_{5} x \log_{3} x

will become

ln x ln 3 ln x ln 4 ln x ln 5 = ln x ln 3 ln x ln 4 + ln x ln 4 ln x ln 5 + ln x ln 5 ln x ln 3 \frac{\ln x}{\ln 3} \frac{\ln x}{\ln 4} \frac{\ln x}{\ln 5} = \frac{\ln x}{\ln 3} \frac{\ln x}{\ln 4} + \frac{\ln x}{\ln 4} \frac{\ln x}{\ln 5} + \frac{\ln x}{\ln 5} \frac{\ln x}{\ln 3}

[ ln x ] 3 ln 3 ln 4 ln 5 = [ ln x ] 2 ln 3 ln 4 + [ ln x ] 2 ln 4 ln 5 + [ ln x ] 2 ln 5 ln 3 \frac{[\ln x]^3}{\ln 3 \ln 4 \ln 5} = \frac{[\ln x]^2}{\ln 3 \ln 4} + \frac{[\ln x]^2}{\ln 4 \ln 5} + \frac{[\ln x]^2}{\ln 5 \ln 3}

[ ln x ] 3 = ln 5 [ ln x ] 2 + ln 3 [ ln x ] 2 + ln 4 [ ln x ] 2 [\ln x]^3 = \ln 5 [\ln x]^2 + \ln 3 [\ln x]^2 + \ln 4 [\ln x]^2

[ ln x ] 3 ln 5 [ ln x ] 2 ln 3 [ ln x ] 2 ln 4 [ ln x ] 2 = 0 [\ln x]^3 - \ln 5 [\ln x]^2 - \ln 3 [\ln x]^2- \ln 4 [\ln x]^2 = 0

[ ln x ] 2 [ ln x ln 5 ln 3 ln 4 ] = 0 [\ln x]^2 [ \ln x - \ln 5 - \ln 3 - \ln 4 ] = 0

We have two factors,

[ ln x ] 2 = 0 [\ln x]^2 = 0

where we will get x = 1 x = 1

and

ln x ln 5 ln 3 ln 4 = 0 \ln x - \ln 5 - \ln 3 - \ln 4 = 0

ln x = ln 5 + ln 3 + ln 4 \ln x = \ln 5 + \ln 3 + \ln 4

ln x = ln 60 \ln x = \ln 60

x = 60 x = 60

therefore we get 60 + 1 = 61

Nice method. Congratulations.

Niranjan Khanderia - 7 years ago

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Thank you. :)

Angelo Marco Ramoso - 6 years, 5 months ago

I like this one because it shows how it got to the roots. Awesome. But wait... where did [ln x]^3 go in the line above the sentence "we have two factors"?

Pieter Breughel - 4 years, 9 months ago

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Subtracting logs requires to divide and the dividend is the same as the common factor

Jerry McKenzie - 4 years, 7 months ago

This Is how I solved it

Jerry McKenzie - 4 years, 7 months ago

I think we have three factors- (lnx), (lnx), (lnx-ln5-ln4-ln3). So, I think the answer should be 62. How is it coming to 61?? Please explain.

Shwet Ranjan - 3 years, 9 months ago
Joe Potillor
Sep 9, 2016

For this problem, I used change of base and factoring on the original problem to get

((Log x)^3)/(log 3 log 4 log 5) = [log x]^2 (log 3 log 4 + log 4 log 5 + log 5*log 3)

Clearing the fraction with lcd

(Log x)^3 = [log x]^2 (log 5 + log 4 + log 3)

Using properties of logs

(Log x)^3 = [log x]^2 (log 60)

Moving all terms to other side and factoring we get

(Log x)^2 (log x - log 60) = 0

Hence log x = 0, x = 1, log x = log 60, x = 60

And so 1 + 60 = 61, our solution

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