The minimum is irrational?

Algebra Level 5

c a b + 1 c + b c a + 1 b + a b c + 1 a \large \dfrac{c}{\sqrt{ab + 1 - c}} + \dfrac{b}{\sqrt{ca + 1 - b}} + \dfrac{a}{\sqrt{bc + 1 - a}}

For positive real numbers a a , b b , and c c , find the minimum value of the expression above, for a + b + c = 1 a+b+c =1 . If the answer is in the form of p q r \dfrac{p\sqrt{q}}{r} , where gcd ( p , r ) = 1 \gcd(p,r) = 1 and q q is square free, find p + q + r p+q+r .

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The answer is 17.

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Manuel Kahayon
May 29, 2017

Notice that 1 x \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} has second derivative 3 4 x 5 \frac{3}{4 \sqrt{x^5}} (which is positive for all positive x) and is therefore convex. Since a + b + c = 1 a+b+c = 1 , we can apply jensen's inequality, as follows:

c a b + 1 c + b c a + 1 b + a b c + 1 a 1 3 a b c + a + b + c a 2 b 2 c 2 \large \dfrac{c}{\sqrt{ab + 1 - c}} + \dfrac{b}{\sqrt{ca + 1 - b}} + \dfrac{a}{\sqrt{bc + 1 - a}} \geq \frac{1}{\sqrt{3abc + a + b + c - a^2 - b^2 - c^2}}

Now, notice that since a + b + c = 1 a+b+c = 1 , we have a + b + c = ( a + b + c ) 2 = a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c a+b+c = (a+b+c)^2 = a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + 2ab + 2bc + 2ac .

Now, substituting this into the expression gives us

1 3 a b c + a + b + c a 2 b 2 c 2 = 1 3 a b c + ( a + b + c ) 2 a 2 b 2 c 2 = 1 3 a b c + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c \frac{1}{\sqrt{3abc + a + b + c - a^2 - b^2 - c^2}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{3abc +(a+b+c)^2 - a^2 - b^2 - c^2}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{3abc+2ab+2bc+2ac}} .

Also, notice that, since a + b + c = 1 a+b+c = 1 , we have 1 = ( a + b + c ) 2 = a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 c a 3 a b + 3 b c + 3 c a 1 = (a+b+c)^2 = a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + 2ab + 2bc + 2ca \geq 3ab + 3bc + 3ca ,

Giving us a b + b c + c a 1 3 ab + bc + ca \leq \frac{1}{3} .

Also, a + b + c 3 a b c 3 \frac{a+b+c}{3} \geq \sqrt[3]{abc} , giving us a b c 1 27 abc \leq \frac{1}{27}

Piecing it all together, we have

3 a b c + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 c a 3 27 + 2 3 = 7 9 3abc + 2ab + 2bc + 2ca \leq \frac{3}{27} + \frac{2}{3} = \frac{7}{9} .

This implies that

1 3 a b c + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c 1 7 9 = 3 7 7 \frac{1}{\sqrt{3abc+2ab+2bc+2ac}} \geq \frac{1}{\sqrt{\frac{7}{9}}} = \frac{3\sqrt{7}}{7} .

Thus, we have the chain of inequalities

c a b + 1 c + b c a + 1 b + a b c + 1 a 1 3 a b c + a + b + c a 2 b 2 c 2 = 1 3 a b c + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c 1 7 9 = 3 7 7 \dfrac{c}{\sqrt{ab + 1 - c}} + \dfrac{b}{\sqrt{ca + 1 - b}} + \dfrac{a}{\sqrt{bc + 1 - a}} \geq \frac{1}{\sqrt{3abc + a + b + c - a^2 - b^2 - c^2}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{3abc+2ab+2bc+2ac}} \geq \frac{1}{\frac{7}{9}} = \frac{3\sqrt{7}}{7} , with equality when a = b = c a = b = c .

Thus, our answer is 3 + 7 + 7 = 17 3+7+7 = \boxed{17} .

Awesome! You may try to solve this with Hölder's. Jensen's ineq can also give a unique way to solve this.

Fidel Simanjuntak - 4 years ago

I think you did a typo. Isn't it a b + b c + c a 1 3 ab + bc + ca \leq \dfrac{1}{3} ?

Fidel Simanjuntak - 4 years ago

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Oh sorry I accidentally switched the bounds for a b c abc and a b + b c + a c ab+bc+ac

Manuel Kahayon - 4 years ago

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Thanks, it's much better. What motivates you to find such way to solve this problem?

Fidel Simanjuntak - 4 years ago

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@Fidel Simanjuntak Since a + b + c = 1 a+b+c = 1 , which is the necessary condition for Jensen's, and all the terms are added with weights a , b , c a,b,c respectively, the problem looks like it's practically asking to be jensen-ed :D

Manuel Kahayon - 4 years ago
Shourya Pandey
May 30, 2017

By Hölder's inequality, we have

( c y c c a b + 1 c ) ( c y c c a b + 1 c ) ( c y c c ( a b + 1 c ) ) [ c y c ( c a b + 1 c ) ( c a b + 1 c ) ( c ( a b + 1 c ) ) 1 3 ] 3 \displaystyle (\sum_{cyc} \frac{c}{\sqrt{ab+1-c}})(\sum_{cyc} \frac{c}{\sqrt{ab+1-c}})(\sum_{cyc} c(ab+1-c)) \geq [\sum_{cyc} (\frac{c}{\sqrt{ab+1-c}})(\frac{c}{\sqrt{ab+1-c}})(c(ab+1-c))^{\frac{1}{3}}]^{3}

= ( c y c c ) 3 = 1 = \displaystyle (\sum_{cyc} c)^{3} = 1 . Also, we have

c y c c ( a b + 1 c ) = 3 a b c + ( a + b + c ) ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) 3 ( a + b + c 3 ) 3 + 1 ( a + b + c ) 2 3 = 1 9 + 1 1 3 = 7 9 \displaystyle \sum_{cyc} c(ab+1-c) = 3abc+(a+b+c) - (a^2 + b^2+c^2) \leq 3(\frac{a+b+c}{3})^{3} + 1 - \frac{(a+b+c)^2}{3} = \frac{1}{9} + 1 - \frac{1}{3} = \frac{7}{9} , due to AM-GM.

Therefore c y c c a b + 1 c 1 c y c c ( a b + 1 c ) = 3 7 = 3 7 7 \displaystyle \sum_{cyc} \frac{c}{\sqrt{ab+1-c}} \geq \frac{1}{\sqrt{\sum_{cyc} c(ab+1-c)}} = \frac{3}{\sqrt{7}} = \frac{3\sqrt{7}}{7} . If equality holds, then we need a = b = c a=b=c , because we applied AM-GM on a , b , c a,b,c . Indeed, at a = b = c = 1 3 a=b=c=\frac{1}{3} ,the expression takes the value of 3 7 7 \frac{3\sqrt{7}}{7} . So p = 3 , q = 7 , r = 7 \boxed{p=3 , q=7 , r=7} , and p + q + r = 17 p+q+r = \boxed{17} .

Did the same way! Such a nice way to solve this with Hölder's.

Fidel Simanjuntak - 4 years ago

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