a + b + c a 2 + b 2 + c 2 a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = = = 1 2 3
Numbers a , b , c satisfy the equations above.
What is the value of a − 1 + b − 1 + c − 1 ?
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An alternate (slower) way to derive the answer is by finding the values of a + b + c , a 2 + b 2 + c 2 , a 3 + b 3 + c 3 in terms of a + b + c , a b + b c + c a , a b c by Newton Sums Method, then solving for those three expressions, which is what I did.
This basically just reproves the identities you used though. (I can never remember those Algebraic identities!)
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what is newton sums method @daniel liu
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See here
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@Daniel Liu – It's still incomplete though. I can't seem to get enough time to complete it. The school projects are a pain in the arse. :P
@Daniel Liu I corrected a typo in there, I think that's why you're wondering where those identities come from. It was just basically derived from Newton-Girard formulas.
@John Obia: No actually formula for 3abc = (a+b+c)[(...) ] hasa typo maybe.
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It must have been overlooked.
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Also, there was a wrong substitution in the wrong formula that made the answer right. ( a + b + c ) 2 = 2 but 1.
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@Roman Frago and @Ajit Deshpande Thank you very much for your concern, I just overlooked the mistake though. I have edited them already. I think that's why some people are wondering where did I get these identities.
I take it you cannot assign "a" "b" and "c" values that satisfies the equations as the formulas will not equate on power 2 and 3 to answers 2 + 3, closest I am getting without messing around is -.1945, -.1945 + 1.389 resulting in 2.004982 + 2.665111, any adjustment to the ratios only narrows the ration making achieving a result of 2 + 3 impossible?????
The value required is just e 3 e 2 , where e k is the k th elementary symmetric polynomial which can be found out by recursively using Newton's Identities as stated by Daniel.
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Can you tell us more what e1, e 2 means ?
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If the roots of a degree n polynomial are r i 1 , r i 2 , … , r i n , then we define e k as,
e k = 1 ≤ i 1 < i 2 < ⋯ < i k ≤ n ∑ ⎝ ⎛ t = 1 ∏ k r i t ⎠ ⎞ ∀ 1 ≤ k ≤ n
As an explicit example, for a quartic polynomial with roots a , b , c , d , we have,
e 1 = a + b + c + d e 2 = a b + a c + a d + b c + b d + c d e 3 = a b c + a b d + a c d + b c d e 4 = a b c d
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@Prasun Biswas – Very well explained............ Brilliant
The first thing that I did was rewrite the problem. a − 1 + b − 1 + c − 1 = a 1 + b 1 + c 1 = a b c b c + a b c a c + a b c a b = a b c b c + a c + a b Next, I manipulated the original equation to find a value equivalent to bc+ac+ab and another one equivalent to abc. a + b + c = 1 ( a + b + c ) 2 = 1 2 ( a + b + c ) ( a + b + c ) = 1 a ( a + b + c ) + b ( a + b + c ) + c ( a + b + c ) = 1 a 2 + a b + a c + a b + b 2 + b c + a c + b c + c 2 = 1 a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c = 1 ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c = 1 The expression in parenthesis is the second equation we were given; therefore, 2 + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c = 1 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c = − 1 a b + b c + a c = − 2 1 There, we have the expression for the numerator. The denominator is a little more involved. a + b + c = 1 ( a + b + c ) 3 = 1 3 ( a + b + c ) ( a + b + c ) 2 = 1 From the previous part we know that, ( a + b + c ) 2 = 2 + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c Therefore, ( a + b + c ) ( 2 + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c ) = 1 a ( 2 + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c ) + b ( 2 + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c ) + c ( 2 + 2 a b + 2 b c + 2 a c ) = 1 2 a + 2 a 2 b + 2 a b c + 2 a 2 c + 2 b + 2 a b 2 + 2 b 2 c + 2 a b c + 2 c + 2 a b c + 2 b c 2 + 2 a c 2 = 1 Combine like terms and strategically place parentheses: 6 a b c + ( 2 a + 2 b + 2 c ) + ( 2 a 2 c + 2 a 2 b ) + ( 2 a b 2 + 2 b 2 c ) + ( 2 b c 2 + 2 a c 2 ) = 1 6 a b c + 2 ( a + b + c ) + 2 a 2 ( b + c ) + 2 b 2 ( a + c ) + 2 c 2 ( a + b ) = 1 6 a b c + 2 ( a + b + c ) + 2 a 2 ( a + b + c − a ) + 2 b 2 ( a + b + c − b ) + 2 c 2 ( a + b + c − c ) = 1 Substitute 1 for every a+b+c that appears (first equation given). 6 a b c + 2 ( 1 ) + 2 a 2 ( 1 − a ) + 2 b 2 ( 1 − b ) + 2 c 2 ( 1 − c ) = 1 6 a b c + 2 + 2 a 2 − 2 a 3 + 2 b 2 − 2 b 3 + 2 c 2 − 2 c 3 = 1 6 a b c + 2 + 2 a 2 + 2 b 2 + 2 c 2 − 2 a 3 − 2 b 3 − 2 c 3 = 1 6 a b c + 2 + 2 ( a 2 + b 2 + c c ) − 2 ( a 3 + b 3 + c 3 ) = 1 Take a look at the second and third given equations and substitute. 6 a b c + 2 + 2 ( 2 ) − 2 ( 3 ) = 1 6 a b c + 2 + 4 − 6 = 1 6 a b c = 1 a b c = 6 1 There, we have an expression for the denominator. Now we plug them back in. a b c b c + a c + a b = 6 1 − 2 1 = − 3
Nice approach for the solution for those who don't know the identities...like me
nice solution
I solved the problem this way
While a bit long, this solution was really easy to understand. Great job!
Squaring the first equation: a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 2 ( a b + a c + b c )
but a 2 + b 2 + c 2 = 2 .
So a b + b c + a c = − 2 1 [ 4 t h equation]
Multiplying the first and second equation: a 3 + b 3 + c 3 + a b 2 + a c 2 + a 2 b + b c 2 + a 2 c + b 2 c = 2
but a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = 3
so a b 2 + a c 2 + a 2 b + b c 2 + a 2 c + b 2 c = − 1 [ 5 t h equation]
Multiplying the first and fourth equation: a b 2 + a c 2 + a 2 b + b c 2 + a 2 c + b 2 c + 3 a b c = − 2 1
but a b 2 + a c 2 + a 2 b + b c 2 + a 2 c + b 2 c = − 1
so a b c = 6 1
a − 1 + b − 1 + c − 1 = a 1 + b 1 + c 1 = a b c b c + a c + a b = 6 1 − 2 1 = − 3
Oh, what a creative solution out there :)
Oh! Nearly the same way I solved it! Great job!
Great solution!!, 😊😊😊😎😎
We have to only remember two formulas i.e. [ a + b + c ] 2 = a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 2(ab +bc +ca) and a 3 + b 3 + c 3 - 3abc = (a + b + c)( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 - ab -bc -ca). By these two formulas we can easily equate the answer.
Subtracting the 1st equation from the 2nd:
a ( a − 1 ) + b ( b − 1 ) + c ( c − 1 ) = 1 --- ( 1 )
Subtracting the 2nd equation from the 3rd:
a 2 ( a − 1 ) + b 2 ( b − 1 ) + c 2 ( c − 1 ) = 1 --- ( 2 )
From equation 1, three equations can be deduced:
Doing the necessary substitutions with the equations above into equation ( 1 ) and ( 2 ), we get:
a ( b + c ) + b ( a + c ) + c ( a + b ) = − 1 --- ( a ) a 2 ( b + c ) + b 2 ( a + c ) + c 2 ( a + b ) = − 1 --- ( b )
Subtracting the equation (a) from (b), expanding, cleaning up and factorising:
6 a b c + a 2 ( b + c ) + b 2 ( a + c ) + c 2 ( a + b ) = 0
Therefore,
a b c = 6 1
Now with the 1st equation, by doing the necessary multiplications we can get
a b + b 2 + b c = b
a 2 + a b + a c = a
a c + b c + c 2 = c
Adding up and simplifying,
a + b + c = a 2 + b 2 + c 2 + 2 ( a b + b c + a c )
Which reduces to a b + b c + a c = 2 − 1
Now we have all the information that we need. The equation that we want to find the value of can be written as
a b c a b + a c + b c
Thus the value is − 3
I did by this way
Because
ab+bc+ca = [(a+b+c)^2-(a^2+b^2+c^2)]/2 = [1^2-2]/2 = -1/2
and
a^3+b^3+c^3-3abc = (a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2-ab-bc-ca)
<=> 3-3abc = 1*(2+1/2),
<=> abc = 1/6,
it follows that
1/a+1/b+1/c
= (ab+bc+ca)/(abc)
= (-1/2)/(1/6)
= -3.
I wanted to use Newton's sums in order to solve this problem. So, let's define: e 1 ≡ a + b + c , e 2 ≡ a b + b c + c a , e 3 ≡ a b c . The first three Newton's sums, the ones given by the problem, are thus: p 1 ≡ a + b + c = e 1 , p 2 ≡ a 2 + b 2 + c 2 = e 1 p 1 − 2 e 2 , p 3 ≡ a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = e 1 p 2 − e 2 p 1 + 3 e 3 . Since p 1 = 1 , p 2 = 2 , p 3 = 3 , we can easily determine e 1 = 1 , e 2 = − 2 1 , e 3 = 6 1 . Now, a − 1 + b − 1 + c − 1 = e 3 e 2 , and so we find the result a − 1 + b − 1 + c − 1 = − 3 ,
1 = ( a + b + c ) 2 = 2 + 2 ( a b + a c + b c ) ⟹ 2 − 1 = a b + a c + b c
1 = ( a + b + c ) 3 = 3 + 3 ( a b + a c + b c ) ( a + b + c ) − 3 a b c ⟹
− 2 = 2 − 3 − 3 a b c ⟹
− 4 = − 3 − 6 a b c ⟹ a b c = 6 1
∴ a 1 + b 1 + c 1 = a b c b c + a c + a b = − 3 .
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a − 1 + b − 1 + c − 1 can be written as a b c a b + a c + b c
And we have a b + a c + b c = 2 1 [ ( a + b + c ) 2 − ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) ]
⇒ a b + a c + b c = 2 1 ( 1 − 2 ) ⇒ a b + b c + a c = 2 − 1
From the identity
a 3 + b 3 + c 3 − 3 a b c = ( a + b + c ) [ ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) − ( a b + a c + b c ) ]
⇒ 3 − 3 a b c = 1 ( 2 + 2 1 ) ⇒ a b c = 6 1
Therefore: a − 1 + b − 1 + c − 1 = a b c a b + a c + b c = 6 1 2 − 1
⇒ a − 1 + b − 1 + c − 1 = − 3