The smallest perimeter

Geometry Level 1

The 4 types of triangles below are distinct but have the same area. Which has the smallest perimeter?

Right triangle Obtuse triangle Acute triangle Equilateral triangle

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13 solutions

David Vreken
Jan 29, 2018

Consider a triangle with a constant base b b and a constant height h h (and therefore a constant area) but with a variable horizontal distance x x between one of its vertices on the base and the vertex not on the base, as pictured below.

Then the perimeter P P can be defined as P = b + x 2 + h 2 + ( b x ) 2 + h 2 P = b + \sqrt{x^2 + h^2} + \sqrt{(b - x)^2 + h^2} , and its derivative as P = x x 2 + h 2 b x ( b x ) 2 + h 2 P' = \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2 + h^2}} - \frac{b - x}{\sqrt{(b - x)^2 + h^2}} . Setting P = 0 P' = 0 gives x = b 2 x = \frac{b}{2} , which means the minimum perimeter is when the upper vertex is directly over the base's midpoint. Therefore, the minimum perimeter of a triangle with a given area and a given base occurs when the triangle is an isosceles triangle.

Since the base is not given, the minimum perimeter of a given area would be when the triangle is an isosceles in three ways (an isosceles for each side as a base), which occurs when the triangle is an equilateral triangle .

This problem doesn't give a set height, does this effect this proof?

Jason Toms - 3 years, 4 months ago

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Good question! Since the minimum perimeter for a set area is when x = b 2 x = \frac{b}{2} , that is true for any base b b , and by extension any height that makes A = 1 2 b h A = \frac{1}{2}bh a true statement.

David Vreken - 3 years, 4 months ago

Once you know that the minimum perimeter of a triangle with a given area and a given base occurs when the triangle is an isosceles triangle, another way to finish the solution is to show that the perimeter P P of an isosceles triangle with a base b b and a height h h and a fixed area A A is P = b + 2 ( b 2 ) 2 + h 2 P = b + 2\sqrt{(\frac{b}{2})^2 + h^2} , and since A = 1 2 b h A = \frac{1}{2}bh , P = b + 2 ( b 2 ) 2 + ( 2 A b ) 2 P = b + 2\sqrt{(\frac{b}{2})^2 + (\frac{2A}{b})^2} and P = 1 + b 4 16 A 2 b 2 b 4 + 16 A 2 P' = 1 + \frac{b^4 - 16A^2}{b^2 \sqrt{b^4 + 16A^2}} . Setting P = 0 P' = 0 and solving for A A gives A = 3 4 b 2 A = \frac{\sqrt{3}}{4}b^2 , which is the area formula for an equilateral triangle.

David Vreken - 3 years, 4 months ago

Can you tell me about the perimeters of other 3 triangles?

Anuj Shikarkhane - 3 years, 4 months ago

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If the area and the base are constant, then the perimeter of the equilateral triangle < the perimeter of an (other) acute triangle < the perimeter of the right triangle < the perimeter of the obtuse triangle. However, this may or may not be the case if the base is not constant. For example, the perimeter of a right triangle with sides ( 10 2 10\sqrt{2} , 10 2 10\sqrt{2} , 20 20 ) is smaller than the perimeter of an acute triangle with sides ( 5 17 5\sqrt{17} , 5 17 5\sqrt{17} , 10 10 ), even though both have the same area.

David Vreken - 3 years, 4 months ago

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Thanks! So the perimeter is related to the measure of the angle in the triangle. You made a small typo. Just type perimeter instead of area in the relation given in the first statement.

Anuj Shikarkhane - 3 years, 4 months ago

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@Anuj Shikarkhane Thanks! I fixed the typo.

David Vreken - 3 years, 4 months ago

But the height and base are not said to be constant. You can still adjust b and h to different values and still get the same area.

The Niel Network - 3 years, 4 months ago

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The last sentence of my solution deals with that.

David Vreken - 3 years, 4 months ago

I need to understand derivatives in order to grasp this proof. I know how to do derivative (broadly from high school memory) but I don't know why I do them. Why is P' and P' = 0 important for the proof?

I don't even know how do you solve P' for 0

Lupuleasa I - 3 years, 4 months ago

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When a derivative is equal to zero, then the rate of change is equal to zero, and which are where possible maximum and minimum values occur. In the context of this problem, setting P = 0 P' = 0 and solving for x x gives the x x value (the length of the side) at which P P (the perimeter) is a minimum.

Here are more details on one way to solve P = 0 P' = 0 :

0 = x x 2 + h 2 b x ( b x ) 2 + h 2 0 = \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2 + h^2}} - \frac{b - x}{\sqrt{(b - x)^2 + h^2}}

b x ( b x ) 2 + h 2 = x x 2 + h 2 \frac{b - x}{\sqrt{(b - x)^2 + h^2}} = \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2 + h^2}}

( b x ) ( x 2 + h 2 ) = x ( ( b x ) 2 + h 2 ) (b - x)(\sqrt{x^2 + h^2}) = x(\sqrt{(b - x)^2 + h^2})

( b x ) 2 ( x 2 + h 2 ) = x 2 ( ( b x ) 2 + h 2 ) (b - x)^2(x^2 + h^2) = x^2((b - x)^2 + h^2)

( b x ) 2 x 2 + ( b x ) 2 h 2 = x 2 ( b x ) 2 + x 2 h 2 (b - x)^2x^2 + (b - x)^2h^2 = x^2(b - x)^2 + x^2h^2

( b x ) 2 h 2 = x 2 h 2 (b - x)^2h^2 = x^2h^2

( b x ) 2 = x 2 (b - x)^2 = x^2

b x = x b - x = x

b = 2 x b = 2x

b 2 = x \frac{b}{2} = x

x = b 2 x = \frac{b}{2}

David Vreken - 3 years, 4 months ago
Mike Perry
Jan 28, 2018

A circle has the largest area for a given perimeter, and therefore, the smallest perimeter for a given area. The equilateral triangle most approximates a circle relative to the options given.

Moderator note:

It should be noted while this gives a good intuition for why the result might be true, and can be valuable in that sense, it is not a full proof.

An example of the danger of informal thinking with regard to circles is in this article from the New York Times written by one of our staff at Brilliant. It includes a reasonable-seeming proof that the value of π \pi is 4.

Can you please also tell which triangle has the 2nd smallest and 3rd smallest perimeter respectively? Thanks.

Piyush Sahu - 3 years, 4 months ago

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That would depend on the actual dimensions of the triangles. This is because more than one parameter can be changed in right, obtuse and acute triangles. We can keep their area fixed, and change their perimeter at the same time.

Pranshu Gaba - 3 years, 4 months ago

I measured each triangle with a ruler by pressing it on the screen and then found the perimeter of each triangle.After that, i found the smallest perimeter. I could have instead drawn the triangles and then found the perimeter. I would rate this problem a 1 because it was very easy. I felt relieved that this wasn't a super hard physics thing that I would have no idea how to answer.

Lucia Tiberio - 3 years, 4 months ago

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Measuring screens does not account as a proof either. There's a difference between checking that something is true with our senses and reasoning logically why this has to be true from a mathematical perspective.

Lucas Viana Reis - 3 years, 4 months ago
Juan Luis
Jan 28, 2018

In order to have a triangle different from an equilateral, you have to reduce one of the sides and increase the other two. If you apply limits theory and take the smaller side to its minimal expression, the perimeter will tend to infinity, hence the smaller perimeter of a triangle of a given area is that of an equilateral triangle.

Your first sentence is not true. You can keep side 'a' at a fixed length, increase the length of side 'b', and decrease the length of side 'c'. For example, consider transforming an equilateral triangle into a right-angled triangle while keeping the base and height constant.

Peter Macgregor - 3 years, 4 months ago
Abhishek Sinha
Jan 29, 2018

Recall Heron's formula ( 2 s = a + b + c ) 2s=a+b+c) : Δ = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) . \Delta= \sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)}. Hence, using the AM-GM inequality (note that all terms are non-negative thanks to the triangle inequality), we have
( s a ) + ( s b ) + ( s c ) 3 ( Δ 2 s ) 1 / 3 . \frac{(s-a)+(s-b)+(s-c)}{3} \geq {(\frac{\Delta^2}{s})}^{1/3}. i.e., s ( 3 Δ 2 / 3 ) 3 / 4 . s\geq (3 \Delta^{2/3})^{3/4}. The above gives a lower bound on the half-perimeter of triangles having area Δ \Delta . The lower bound is achieved when all terms of the AM-GM inequality are equal, i.e., the triangle is an equilateral triangle.

Yay! This is exactly the same as mine!

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 4 months ago

Yeah! Perimeter and area instantly reminds of using Heron's!!

Ram Avasthi - 3 years, 4 months ago
Yash Ghaghada
Jan 29, 2018

for minimum perimeter the third vertex must be on the perpendicular bisector of the side opposite to the third point

in our case its a equilateral triangle

can you give a mathematical proof

Arush Bansal - 3 years, 4 months ago

That is true when all those triangles have the same bases. Same area does not imply same bases

Ram Avasthi - 3 years, 4 months ago

Oh, that's a nice way to view it!

J E - 3 years, 4 months ago
Soumil Baksi
Feb 1, 2018

As every triangle has equal area, we can say all of them share the same base b b and share the same height h h . So we clump all the triangles together and obtain something similar to the picture :

Where C E B CEB is the Right Angled triangle, C D B CDB is the Equilateral triangle, C F B CFB is the Acute triangle and C G B CGB is the Obtuse triangle. We create a mirror image of the diagram on the other side of the line E G EG as shown :

We obtain straight lines (CBB') and B B C BBC' = = 2 B D 2 * BD = = \ P e r i m e t e r Perimeter o f of T r i a n g l e Triangle D B C DBC - B C BC

By recalling the fact that Sum of length Two sides of a triangle > > Length of third side

We can observe in triangles B E C BEC' , C B G CB'G and C F B C'FB that sum of the two sides of the Equilateral Triangle is < < Sum of two sides excuding base of the other triangles.

Thus we can conclude that the equilateral triangle has the smallest perimeter of them all.

Why do they have the same base and share the same height?

J E - 3 years, 4 months ago

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Area of Triangle = Base x Height x 0.5

Thus the triangles share same base and height

Soumil Baksi - 3 years, 4 months ago

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This is not true. Think about it: a triangle with base 1 and corresponding height 12 has exactly the same area as a triangle with base 4 and corresponding height 3, while those are clearly very different triangles.

Harry D - 3 years, 3 months ago
Lv L.Y.
Feb 4, 2018

This triangle must have the biggest inscribed circle and the most symmetrical triangle has the biggest inscribed circle.

Amandeep Kumar
Feb 1, 2018

Hey guys I used the formula - Area=semi-perimeter x in-radius. And largest in radius is in equilateral triangle. Therefore smallest perimeter

How do you know it has the largest in radius? Are you assuming "it has the largest in radius because it has the smallest perimeter"? If so, that argument is circular.

J E - 3 years, 4 months ago
Rhys Crawford
Jan 30, 2018

The solution is simple, just to estimate the basic perimeter, based on height, and base considering these are triangles, you’d probably notice a triangle with the smallest perimeter is the equilateral triangle, therefore giving an estimate on the area. Hint* The perimeter limits the mass inside it, being its area.

Peter Bakič
Jan 30, 2018

Is it relevant that equillateral tringle has the smallest diference between angles ? Therefore the smalles distance is required to connect points of the triangle.

Therefore the smalles distance is required to connect points of the triangle.

You need to prove that this is true.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 4 months ago
Jarin Mithila
Jan 30, 2018

Perimeter for a circle depends on the largest area and smallest perimeter for the area given . in the questions options which are given,only the equilateral triangle is most related to a circle. So,the equilateral triangle is the smallest one in area.

Coltrane Rogers
Jan 29, 2018

Just look at it. Which one looks the smallest !!!!!

They all looked the same to me.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 4 months ago
Erica Phillips
Jan 29, 2018

From the diagrams it is visible the all the sides are comparatively shorter in size as compared to the other figures and to get the minimum perimeter we need to add the lengths of each side and hence the figure with shortest sides will have the least perimeter hence the answer is equilateral triangle

You didn't answer the question: How do you know that the equilateral triangle has the least perimeter?

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 4 months ago

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I have mentioned here that "the figure with shortest sides will have the least perimeter" this clearly states that the sum of the lengths of the shortest sides will definitely be less

erica phillips - 3 years, 4 months ago

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So how do you know which figure has the shortest sides? The acute angled triangle has a side length that is smaller than the side length of the equilateral triangle, so why couldn't the answer be an acute triangle?

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 4 months ago

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