The square root of i i ?

Algebra Level 3

Until around the 1500's, 1 \sqrt{-1} was , thought of by mathematicians as an evil number. Rafael Bombelli first laid out the basic principles for manipulating these fascinating numbers in 1572. The idea was first though of by Heron of Alexandria (Heron's formula... ring a bell?) The applications for i i are wide-spread. For example, in algebra, some roots of quadratics that don't pass through the x x -axis can be imaginary numbers. The letter i i is the imaginary unit. Complex numbers are numbers that have real and imaginary parts. For example, 2 + 3 i 2+3i is complex. The imaginary part is 3 3 (it's the coefficient of i i ) and the real part is 2 2 . Let a + i b = i \frac{a+i}{\sqrt{b}}=\sqrt{i} where a a and b b are coprime, positive integers. Find a + b a+b .

If you found this interesting, you should check out Christopher Boo's problem based on this, The Cube Root of i i ? .


The answer is 3.

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5 solutions

Daniel Liu
Mar 28, 2014

Unlike Finn Hulse's solution, I am directly assuming that a + i b = i \dfrac{a+i}{\sqrt{b}}=\sqrt{i} .

Squaring both sides, we get that a 2 1 + 2 a i b = i \dfrac{a^2-1+2ai}{b}=i .

Multiplying both sides by b b we get a 2 1 + 2 a i = b i a^2-1+2ai=bi .

Since the RHS has real part 0 0 we must have a 2 1 = 0 a^2-1=0 . Since a > 0 a>0 , we must have a = 1 a=1 .

Therefore, 2 i = b i 2i=bi , so b = 2 b=2 .

Our answer is therefore 1 + 2 = 3 1+2=\boxed{3}

As a side note, the square root "function" on complex numbers is multi-valued.

It is a function (one-to-one) for positive reals because we defined it to give us the positive value.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 2 months ago

Exactly!!! I did the same way.

Aman Jaiswal - 7 years, 2 months ago

e^(ix)=cosx+isinx , e^(ipi/2)=i , e^(ipi/4)=i^(1/2)=cos(pi/4)+isin(pi/4)=(1+i)/(2^1/2)

Tan Wei Sheng - 7 years, 2 months ago

Awesome solution!

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago

@Daniel Liu : Your avatar seems familiar. Are you using W|A to solve this problem?? Just ask... :P

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 2 months ago

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It's the Wolfram-Alpha sign. You posted a problem about it! :D

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago

same way..

Vikash Bhandari - 7 years, 2 months ago
Christopher Boo
Mar 28, 2014

We know that

i = cos π 2 + i sin π 2 i=\cos \frac{\pi}{2}+i\sin \frac{\pi}{2}

i = ( cos π 2 + i sin π 2 ) 1 2 \sqrt{i}=(\cos \frac{\pi}{2}+i\sin \frac{\pi}{2})^\frac{1}{2}

By DeMoivre's Formula ,

i = cos π 4 + i sin π 4 \sqrt{i}=\cos{\frac{\pi}{4}}+i\sin{\frac{\pi}{4}}

i = 1 2 + i 1 2 \sqrt{i}=\frac{1}{\sqrt2}+i\frac{1}{\sqrt2}

i = 1 + i 2 \sqrt{i}=\frac{1+i}{\sqrt2}

Hence, a = 1 a=1 and b = 2 b=2 , a + b = 3 a+b=3 .

@Christopher Boo : I've just remembered one thing from my past Algebra or maybe Calculus lecture. It should be i = e 2 n 1 2 i π = cos ( 2 n 1 2 i π ) + i sin ( 2 n 1 2 i π ) , for n is odd . i=e^{\frac{2n-1}{2}i\pi}=\cos\left(\frac{2n-1}{2}i\pi\right)+i\sin\left(\frac{2n-1}{2}i\pi\right),\quad\text{for }n\text{ is odd}.

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 2 months ago

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My approach is because cos π 2 = 0 , sin π 2 = 1 \cos\frac{\pi}{2}=0, \sin\frac{\pi}{2}=1 , so cos π 2 + i sin π 2 = 0 + 1 i = i \cos\frac{\pi}{2}+i\sin\frac{\pi}{2}=0+1i=i . I thought this is easier because it is very straightforward and easy to understand :)

Christopher Boo - 7 years, 2 months ago
Finn Hulse
Mar 28, 2014

Let m + n i m+ni be the form that our answer takes (ignoring the format provided). If m + n i m+ni is squared, we can set it equal to i i . First let us look at the expansion in terms of n n and m m . This produces m 2 n 2 + 2 m n i m^{2}-n^{2}+2mni . Because the real part is equal to zero, and m 2 n 2 m^{2}-n^{2} is that real part, it is obvious that m = ± n m=\pm n . Let us look at the imaginary portion. 2 m n i = i 2 m n = 1 m n = 1 / 2 2mni=i \Longrightarrow 2mn=1 \Longrightarrow mn=1/2 . By substitution, m 2 = 1 / 2 m^{2}=1/2 and m = n m=n . Thus, the equation is 1 + i 2 \frac{1+i}{\sqrt{2}} (after simplifying and combining fractions). Thus a = 1 a=1 and b = 2 b=2 . Adding 1 + 2 = 3 1+2=\boxed{3} . I hope you enjoyed the history lesson! :D

Ahhhh, I didn't even have a clue but I guessed 2

Robert Fritz - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Hah yeah. Dude, you should have tried to solve it though! :D

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Ya, but it's late, I'm tired, and watching pokemon.

Robert Fritz - 7 years, 2 months ago

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@Robert Fritz Pokemon?? I like Naruto and Bleach! :D

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 2 months ago

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@Tunk-Fey Ariawan Same here! New episode of Naruto every Thursday in the U.S.

Robert Fritz - 7 years, 2 months ago

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@Robert Fritz Here in Indonesia, I can only read the online manga since there's no TV show for new episode of Naruto. :(

@Finn Hulse : I almost know nothing about Pokemon characters although I've seen the anime. I only know Pikachu, Ash, and Rocket Team. :D

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 2 months ago

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@Tunk-Fey Ariawan Ha, have you ever tried a website called narutoget.com?

Robert Fritz - 7 years, 2 months ago

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@Robert Fritz Nope! I prefer reading the manga to watching it since it releases faster than the the online video. I also like Hunter X Hunter.

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 2 months ago

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@Tunk-Fey Ariawan Really?! I've seen the picture of Hunter x Hunter but to me it looked kind of weird. What's it like?

Robert Fritz - 7 years, 2 months ago

@Tunk-Fey Ariawan Sorry you guys, but I'm more of a Typhlosion type of dude. And Steelix. :D

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago

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@Finn Hulse That reminds me, one time when I was probably around 6 years old I got this cool typhlosion card. Then my terrible cousin talked me into trading it for a piece of crud. Luckily my mind is conscious now.

Robert Fritz - 7 years, 2 months ago

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@Robert Fritz That is the saddest story I have ever heard... :(

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago

@Finn Hulse Hey did you lost your streak? i can't see you on my list...

Christopher Boo - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Yes! It sucked! I literally had 68 days, and then I forgot to solve a problem a couple of days ago! ARGG!

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago

I was so close to 69... *tear

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 1 month ago

I always love math history but the imaginary part of 2 + 3 i 2+3i is 3 3 , not 3 i 3i . The imaginary part of a complex number is a real number. I also loved that you tagged this problem with #Don'tLookItUp :)

Mursalin Habib - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Okey doke! Thanks for correcting me! :D

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago

Finn: At least give this problem rating. I hate when answering a problem but get nothing. :D

Anyway, this is my solution: i = e π 2 i 1 2 = ( e π 2 ) 1 2 i = e π 4 = cos ( π 4 ) + i sin ( π 4 ) = 1 2 + i 1 2 = 1 + i 2 \begin{aligned} i&=e^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\\ i^{\frac{1}{2}}&=\left(e^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}\\ \sqrt{i}&=e^{\frac{\pi}{4}}\\ &=\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{4}\right)+i\sin\left(\frac{\pi}{4}\right)\\ &=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}+i\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\\ &=\frac{1+i}{\sqrt{2}} \end{aligned} Thus, a + b = 1 + 2 = 3 a+b=1+2=\boxed{\color{#3D99F6}{3}} .


# Q . E . D . # \text{\# }\mathbb{Q.E.D.}\text{ \#}

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Brilliant! :D

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago

It'll get a rating in a couple of days. Once more people solve it. :D

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago
Shouvik Das
Mar 30, 2014

sqrt(i) = sqrt[(1 + i^2 + 2i)/2]. = (1+i)/sqrt(2). So a=1 and b=2. So a+b = 3.(Ans)...

Noel Lo
Jul 13, 2018

a + i b = i \dfrac{a+i}{\sqrt{b}}=\sqrt{i}

a + i = b i a+i=\sqrt{b}\sqrt{i}

( a + i ) 2 = ( b i ) 2 (a+i)^2=(\sqrt{b}\sqrt{i})^2

a 2 + 2 a i + i 2 = b i a^2+2ai+i^2=bi

a 2 + 2 a i 1 = b i a^2+2ai-1=bi

a 2 1 = 0 a^2-1=0

a = 1 a=1 considering that a a is positive.

b = 2 a = 2 ( 1 ) = 2 b=2a=2(1)=2

a + b = 1 + 2 = 3 a+b=1+2=\boxed{3} .

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