The time before they met

1) Two bodies of mass M are separated by a distance d. Consider only the gravitational force between bodies, find the time for them to meet. if the answer is t = x d 3 G M t=x\sqrt{\frac{d^{3}}{GM}} find last digit of [10000x] The value of pi should not be approximated for the answer


The answer is 3.

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3 solutions

Abhishek Sethi
Mar 18, 2014

Firstly, There are two ways to start. You could either start with forming the differential equation involving acceleration and Force , Second way is by writing equation for conservation of energy. We obtain G M . M d 2 = M v 2 G M . M x 2 -\dfrac{GM.M}{d^{2}}=Mv^2-\dfrac{GM.M}{x^2} where x is the separation between the masses. Now rearranging the terms and we obtain the expression for v. We obtain v = M G d x d x v= \sqrt{MG\dfrac{d-x}{dx}} Now, 2 v = d x d t 2v=\frac{dx}{dt} as both the bodies are approaching each other with velocity v so RELATIVE VELOCITY becomes 2v. Hence d x d x d x = M G \sqrt{\frac{dx}{d-x}}dx=\sqrt{MG}

Integrating both sides d 0 d x d x d x = 2 0 t M G d t \displaystyle\int_{d}^{0}\sqrt{\frac{dx}{d-x}}dx=2\displaystyle\int_{0}^{t}\sqrt{MG}dt Now for simplicity put d=1. The definite integral can be calculated using trigonometric substitution. 2 1 0 x 1 x = π 2\displaystyle\int_{1}^{0}\sqrt{\frac{x}{1-x}}=\pi

Finally , T = π 4 1 M G T=\dfrac{\pi}{4}\sqrt{\dfrac{1}{MG}}

Note---We had substituted d as 1m. Also the integral can easily be calculated by substituting x = d sin 2 t x=d\sin^2t

Milun Moghe
Mar 13, 2014

A very simple technique to do this problem is using the pragmatic technique of degenerate ellipse. In mathematics, the eccentricity is a parameter associated with every conic section. It can be thought of as a measure of how much the conic section deviates from being circular. e = c / a e=c/a Being c is half of the focal length and a is half of the major axis of the ellipse. When the distance between the focus is zero e = 0 e=0 (it’s a circle). When the distance between the focus is large, the figure becomes a straight ie e = 1 e=1 So, we can apply Kepler's third law: T 2 R 3 = 4 π 2 G m \frac{T^{2}}{R^{3}}=\frac{4\pi^{2}}{Gm} In this case we have e=1, c=a, m=2M because both masses are rotating virtually about their common centre. R = a = d / 2 R=a=d/2 T 2 = d 3 8 4 π 2 G ( 2 M ) T^{2}=\frac{d^{3}}{8}\frac{4\pi^{2}}{G(2M)} time for them to meet is T / 2 = π 4 d 3 G M T/2=\frac{\pi}{4}\sqrt{\frac{d^{3}}{GM}}

F = G M 2 x 2 F=\frac { GM ^{ 2 } }{ x^{ 2 } }

So, acceleration a = G M x 2 a=\frac { GM }{ x^{ 2 } }

Relative acceleration a r = 2 G M x 2 a_{r} = 2\frac { GM }{ x^{ 2 } }

v d v d x = 2 G M x 2 v\frac{dv}{dx}= 2\frac { GM }{ x^{ 2 } }

0 v v d v = 2 G M d x d x x 2 \int_{0}^{v} vdv = 2GM \int_{d}^{x} \frac{dx}{x^{2}}

v = 4 G M ( 1 x 1 d ) v = \sqrt{4GM(\frac{1}{x} - \frac{1}{d})}

d x d t = 4 G M ( 1 x 1 d ) \frac{dx}{dt} = \sqrt{4GM(\frac{1}{x} - \frac{1}{d})}

d 0 x d x = 0 t 4 G M d d t \int_{d}^{0} \sqrt{\frac{x}{d-x}} = \int_{0}^{t} \sqrt{\frac{4GM}{d}} dt

Now integrate and ignore the -ve sign that comes along with P i 2 \frac{Pi}{2}

Thus, the answer is t = P i 4 d 3 G M t= \frac{Pi}{4} \sqrt{ \frac{ d^{3}}{GM}}

Avineil Jain - 7 years, 2 months ago

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I think that you should take a instead of a relative I think there is some thing wrong while taking a relative. Maybe vdv/dx part because here v is relative velocity and not its original velocity

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 2 months ago

But I guess your answer is right.

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 2 months ago

I could not understand.Can you elaborate a little further?

Avineil Jain - 7 years, 3 months ago

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For example say satellites revolve around an ellipse we calculate the time period of revolution with Kepler's relation for proof you can try wikipedia. In a similar manner consider that the two bodies are revolving in an ellipse of b=0 that is approximately a straight line

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 3 months ago

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If I use calculus to get to the answer, would I still get the answer?

Avineil Jain - 7 years, 3 months ago

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@Avineil Jain I tried it by calculus but I was unable to solve a differential equation.

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 3 months ago

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@Milun Moghe I just noticed that if i took 2M instead of M in my solution then i get the answer answer correct, by calculus. Can u explain why do we take 2M, and why not M?

Avineil Jain - 7 years, 3 months ago

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@Avineil Jain Could you please post your Sol first

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 3 months ago

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@Milun Moghe Sure Man, right after my exams are over!

Avineil Jain - 7 years, 3 months ago
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