The vicious cycle (2)

Algebra Level 4

This is problem 2.

Over all reals x , y x, y such that 3 x + 4 y = P 1 3x+4y=P_{1} , find the minimum value of x 2 + y 2 x^{2}+y^{2} .

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The answer is 9.

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2 solutions

Julian Poon
Jan 22, 2015

Since these 3 questions need to be solved simultaneously, im putting all 3 3 solutions here:


Question 1 1 : Find the minimum value of x 2 + P 3 x + 1 x^{2}+P_{3}x+1 . x x ranges over the reals.


The minimum occurs when x = P 3 2 x=\frac{-P_{3}}{2} from the formula b 2 a \frac{-b}{2a} . There are many ways to prove it. See this

So, the minimum value of x 2 + P 3 x + 1 x^{2}+P_{3}x+1 is:

x 2 + P 3 x + 1 = P 3 2 4 P 3 2 2 + 1 = 1 P 3 2 4 x^{2}+P_{3}x+1 = \frac{{P_{3}}^{2}}{4} - \frac{{P_{3}}^{2}}{2} + 1 = 1 - \frac{{P_{3}}^{2}}{4}


Question 2 2 : This problem


This problem is very interesting. It can be solved with geometry.

Observe that x 2 + y 2 = r 2 {x}^{2} + {y}^{2} = {r}^{2} is the equation of a circle and that 3 x + 4 y = P 1 3x+4y=P_{1} is the equation of a line.

This makes the problem a whole lot easier and you can easily derive that P 2 = P 1 2 25 P_{2} = \frac{{P_{1}}^{2}}{25} Take a look at this if you don't understand.


Question 3 3 : Let a real x x be such that sec x = P 2 . \sec x=\sqrt {P_{2}}.

Find A B AB where

A = sin x 1 sin x A=\frac {\sin x}{1-\sin x}

B = sin x 1 + sin x B=\frac {\sin x}{1+\sin x}


First thing first, let's find A B AB :

A B = sin x 1 sin x × sin x 1 + sin x = sin 2 x 1 sin 2 x AB=\frac { \sin x }{ 1-\sin x } \times \frac { \sin x }{ 1+\sin x } =\frac { \sin ^{ 2 }{ x } }{ 1-\sin ^{ 2 }{ x } }

Now, lets find sin ( x ) \sin(x) :

1 cos ( x ) = P 2 sin 2 x + cos 2 x = 1 sin x = 1 cos 2 x = 1 1 P 2 \frac { 1 }{ \cos { (x) } } =\sqrt { { P }_{ 2 } } \\ \sin ^{ 2 }{ x } +\cos ^{ 2 }{ x } =1\\ \sin x=\sqrt { 1-\cos ^{ 2 }{ x } } =\sqrt { 1-\frac { 1 }{ { P }_{ 2 } } }

So therefore:

A B = sin 2 x 1 sin 2 x = P 2 1 AB=\frac { \sin ^{ 2 }{ x } }{ 1-\sin ^{ 2 }{ x } } ={ P }_{ 2 }-1


Now for the most exciting part, solving for the 3 3 question simultaneously:

We have here 3 3 equations:

P 1 = 1 P 3 2 4 { P }_{ 1 }=1-\frac { { { P }_{ 3 } }^{ 2 } }{ 4 }

P 2 = P 1 2 25 { P }_{ 2 }=\frac { { { P }_{ 1 } }^{ 2 } }{ 25 }

P 3 = P 2 1 { P }_{ 3 }={ P }_{ 2 }-1

Solving them gives:

P 1 = 15 P 2 = 9 P 3 = 8 \boxed{\boxed{\boxed{\begin{matrix} { P }_{ 1 }=-15 \\ { P }_{ 2 }=9 \\ { P }_{ 3 }=8 \end{matrix}}}}

Since the last step needs quartics, here is a method (Newton's method) to bash it through quickly and very accurately.

For question 2, you could have used Cauchy Schwarz inequality too.

( 3 2 + 4 2 ) ( x 2 + y 2 ) ( 3 x + 4 y ) 2 ({3}^{2} + {4}^{2})({x}^{2} + {y}^{2}) \geq {(3x + 4y)}^{2} and there is a typo too - P 2 = P 1 2 25 {P}_{2} = \frac{{{P}_{1}}^{2}}{25} .

And how you make that box in latex(at the end)? And of course, @Joel Tan nice concept!

Kartik Sharma - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Well, little overrated cycle!

Kartik Sharma - 6 years, 4 months ago

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For a box around something, use this: \boxed{BLAH} B L A H \boxed{BLAH}

So, if you want many boxes, all you have to do is bake boxes around boxes like t his \boxed{\boxed{\boxed{\boxed{\boxed{\boxed{\boxed{\boxed{\boxed{\boxed{\boxed{\textbf{t} \text{his}}}}}}}}}}}}

Julian Poon - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Julian Poon Oh, of course I knew it but just forgot!

Kartik Sharma - 6 years, 4 months ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Feb 13, 2015

Since ( 3 x + 4 y ) 2 ( 3 2 + 4 2 ) ( x 2 + y 2 ) P 1 2 25 ( x 2 + y 2 ) \space (3x+4y)^2 \le (3^2+4^2)(x^2+y^2) \quad \Rightarrow P_1^2 \le 25 (x^2+y^2)

Therefore, P 2 = m i n ( x 2 + y 2 ) = P 1 2 25 P 1 2 = 25 P 2 \space P_2 = min(x^2+y^2) = \dfrac {P_1^2}{25}\quad \Rightarrow P_1^2 = 25P_2 .

Go to solution of Problem 1 .

From Problem 1 , P 3 = 8 \space P_3 = 8 .

From Problem 3 , P 2 = 1 + P 3 = 1 + 8 = 9 \space P_2=1+P_3 = 1+8 = \boxed{9}

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