They told me that 0 0 = 1 0^0 = 1 , but why?

Calculus Level 2

Some people claim that 0 0 = 1 0 ^ 0 = 1 . What is

lim x 0 + x 1 ln x ? \Large \lim_{ x \rightarrow 0^+ } x ^{^ { \frac{ 1}{\ln x} }}?

0 1 e π \pi

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31 solutions

Trevor B.
May 11, 2014

Remember the fact that 1 log b k = log k b . \dfrac{1}{\log_bk}=\log_kb. Simplifying the expression, x 1 log x = x log x e = e . x^\frac{1}{\log x}=x^{\log_xe}=\boxed{e}.

All that is left to see is that the limit does in fact exist as x x approaches 0 0 from the right. Observing small values of x x such as 0.0001, we see that 0.000 1 1 log 0.0001 0.0001^{\frac{1}{\log0.0001}} indeed exist.

@Calvin Lin I believe this is what you were looking for?

I've always been told that 0^0 was undefined not 1

James Waychoff - 5 years, 5 months ago

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The limit may exist depending on the relative speed at which the base changes and the exponent changes. 0^0 itself actually has an indeterminate form, so there are infinitely many numbers that can equal 0^0. Here is a short proof.

0 = 0^1 = 0^(1+0) = 0^1 * 0^0 = 0*0^0 Infinitely many solutions.

Here is also an analogy, sin(x)/x. Sin(0)/0 does not exist but the limit exists because their relative speed approaches the same speed as x->0.

Jimbo Juice - 4 years, 9 months ago

This is fundamentally incorrect. If you want to evaluate 0 0 0^0 using the limit, you must consider lim x 0 ( x x ) \lim_{x \to 0}(x^x) . And this limit is 1.

You cannot use for your purpose x 1 / log ( x ) x^{1/\log(x)} , which is indeed = e = e , but for all x x , and not just for x 0 x \rightarrow 0 .

The reason why you are getting here seemingly two different answers for 0 0 0^0 is that, for x 0 x \rightarrow 0 , the power index 1 / log ( x ) 1/\log(x) approaches 0 logarithmically , and not linearly (as it really should be doing, were it to provide a valid representation of x x x^x ).

Andrei Lobanov - 5 years, 5 months ago

this is just the easiest way to do it ... smart!

Rohit Tamidapati - 7 years, 1 month ago

Did the same way.

Akash Shah - 7 years, 1 month ago

If i use the lim f (x)^g (x)=e^lim (f (x)-1).g (x) so what will be the answer?

rajesh giri - 1 year, 9 months ago

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That is only applicable to 1^inf forms not 0^0

Kshitij Verma - 1 year, 6 months ago

It makes me more curious.

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Anish Puthuraya
May 11, 2014

Assuming that the limit exists, let,

L = lim x 0 x 1 log x L = \lim_{x\to 0} x^{\frac{1}{\log x}}

Taking log \displaystyle\text{log} on both sides,

log L = log ( lim x 0 x 1 log x ) \log L = \log\left(\lim_{x\to 0} x^{\frac{1}{\log x}}\right)

Taking the log \displaystyle \text{log} inside the limit,

log L = lim x 0 log x 1 log x \log L = \lim_{x\to 0} \log x^{\frac{1}{\log x}}

Using the fact that log a b = b log a \displaystyle \log a^b = b\log a , we get,

log L = lim x 0 1 log x × log x \log L = \lim_{x\to 0} \frac{1}{\log x} \times \log x

log L = 1 \log L = 1

L = e L = e

lim x 0 x 1 log x = e \Rightarrow \lim_{x\to 0} x^{\frac{1}{\log x}} = \boxed{e}

Ah, I added in x 0 + x \rightarrow 0^+ so that we can actually take logs without worrying about the domain.

There is no need to assume that the limit exists. There is a much simpler explanation.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

Can you provide further information on how you got between steps? I can see some of the steps but I don't understand how you got from the 2nd line to the third, for example.

Nathan Ramesh - 7 years, 1 month ago

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I cannot prove this to you, but apparently, you can the log \displaystyle \text{log} inside the limit. Thats what I did there.

Anish Puthuraya - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Yes, can you you please add what you do to get between every non-trivial step in your solution? Thanks.

Nathan Ramesh - 7 years, 1 month ago

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@Nathan Ramesh It is done

Anish Puthuraya - 7 years, 1 month ago

really good solution..

muhmd sani - 7 years ago

Nice expression.

Shaurabh Barua - 5 years, 1 month ago

Nice explanation

Shaurabh Barua - 5 years, 1 month ago

Nice calculation .. but it should be ln or 'e' base log..

Prokash Shakkhar - 4 years, 9 months ago

For your kind information.... The power of X is 1/ln x... And there is a huge difference between log and ln

Anonymous Criz - 4 years, 7 months ago

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And for your kind information, log x doesn't always mean that the base is 10. Even though I haven't explicitly specified the base, in the 3rd last line, its clear that I have used the base of log as "e" and not 10.

ln x is just a shorthand notation for log x with a base "e" while log x is a logarithm of x with an unspecified base.

Anish Puthuraya - 4 years, 7 months ago

And that's what a solution should look like , great bro .. Thank you alot !!! 👍🔥🔥

Lakpa Sonam Sherpa - 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Calvin Lin Staff
May 11, 2014

There is a very easy solution, that doesn't require a deep understanding of limits.

Hint: Simplify the expression x 1 log x x ^ \frac{ 1}{ \log x } BEFORE considering limits.

Hint: If you don't know what to do, draw a graph.

Thnxx sir its very easyy...... just needs simplification and its done..... Coool Sum..... Nice .

Akshay Sant - 7 years, 1 month ago

oh yes. I got it ! thank you.

Daryl Palomar - 7 years ago
Jared Engler
Nov 10, 2016

had some inspiration from a previous question:

lim x 0 + x 1 ln x \lim_{ x \rightarrow 0^+ } x ^ \frac {1} {\ln x}

let x = e u u = ln x x = e^u \longrightarrow u = \ln x

now redefine the limit in terms of our substitution:

lim u ( e u ) 1 u \lim_{ u \rightarrow -\infty } (e^u) ^ \frac {1} {u} = lim u e u u \lim_{ u \rightarrow -\infty } e ^ \frac {u} {u} = lim u e 1 \lim_{ u \rightarrow -\infty } e ^ 1 = e e

qed

Nice substitution :)

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 7 months ago
Oleg Turcan
Apr 12, 2017

lim x 0 + x 1 ln x = lim x 0 + e ln ( x 1 ln x ) = lim x 0 + e 1 ln x ln x = e \lim _{ x\rightarrow { 0 }^{ + } }{ { x }^{ \frac { 1 }{ \ln { x } } } } =\lim _{ x\rightarrow { 0 }^{ + } }{ { e }^{ \ln { \left( { x }^{ \frac { 1 }{ \ln { x } } } \right) } } } =\lim _{ x\rightarrow { 0 }^{ + } }{ { e }^{ \frac { 1 }{ \ln { x } } \ln { x } } } =e

Amzad Hosein
Jun 9, 2016

x 1 ln x = L x ^ \frac{1}{\ln x}=L So... \text{So...} ( x 1 ln x ) ln x = L ln x (x^ \frac{1}{\ln x})^{\ln x} = L^{\ln x} x = L ln x x=L^{\ln x} Take the ln of both sides... \text{Take the } {\ln} \text{ of both sides...} ln x = ln ( L ln x ) {\ln x} = \ln{(L^{\ln x})} Using log laws... \text{Using } {\log} \text{ laws...} ln x = ln x ln L {\ln x} = {\ln x}*{\ln L} ln x ln x ln L = 0 {\ln x} - {\ln x}*{\ln L} = 0 Factor out a ln x . . . \text{Factor out a } {\ln x}... ln x ( 1 ln L ) = 0 {\ln x}(1-{\ln L})=0 So either ln x = 0 , or ln L = 1 , \text{So either } {\ln x = 0} \text{, or } {\ln L=1}, which means either x = 1 , or L = e . \text{ which means either } {x=1} \text{, or } {L = e.} Since x 0 + , then x 1 . Therefore, L = e . \text{Since } {x \rightarrow 0^+} \text{, then }{x \neq 1}\text{. Therefore, } {L = e. \boxed{ }}

Saidu Konneh
Dec 18, 2015

I understand I am just level 2 in calculus as per the grading of this site; however, I am of the strong conviction that the answer to this problem is not e . First of all we are being tricked by the author of the problem to believe that since: lim x 0 x = 0 \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} x = 0 and that l i m x 0 1 l n x = 0 lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{1}{lnx} = 0 therefore the limit of: x 1 l n x x^{\frac{1}{lnx}} as x 0 x \rightarrow 0 = 0 0 0^0 . If this was the case, then there are more than one way to show that 0 0 0^0 is the same as the limit of different other functions, which will be wrong and misleading; an example of such functions is: x x x^x . According to the author of the problem under question, since: lim x 0 x = 0 \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} x = 0 therefore it means the limit of x x x^x = 0 0 0^0 . By using any of the many methods in the comments under this question one may be able to find out that the limit as x 0 x \rightarrow 0 of x x x^x is equal to e 0 = 1 e^0 = 1 . How?

  • L = lim x 0 x x L = \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} x^{x}

  • l n L = l n [ lim x 0 x x ] \Rightarrow ln L = ln[ \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} x^{x} ]

using the fact that ln a b a^{b} = b ln a and also that ln [ lim ] = lim [ ln ] - l n L = lim x 0 \Rightarrow ln L = \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} x ln x

x l n x x ln x is the same as: l n x 1 x \frac{ln x}{\frac{1}{x}} direct substitution of x = 0 x=0 in the limit will yield 0 0 \frac{0}{0} which means we can use L'Hopital's Rule to easily evaluate the limit. This gives us:

  • l n L = lim x 0 ( x ) = 0 ln L = \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} (- x) = 0

  • L = e 0 = 1 \Rightarrow L = e^{0} = 1

CONCLUSION There are many functions which limits when evaluated are some real values or integers but we can make their limit as x approaches zero appear like 0 0 0^{0} by wrongly taking their limits in desired parts. There are two examples we have just seen: x x x^{x} and x 1 l n x x^{\frac{1}{ln x}} . Another example could be : 1 l n x x {\frac{1}{ln x}}^{x} . All these functions have distinct or perhaps coincidentally the same limits as x approaches zero from the right; it is therefore misleading to conclude that since we can in parts make the limits resemble 0 0 0^{0} then it means that 0 0 0^{0} = these different limits.

0 0 0^{0} IS NOT EQUAL TO e !!!

0^0 can surely have any value you like. 0 to any power is always 0; any number to the power 0 is always 1. Graphs will show these values are met as limits as x approaches 0. If you draw a graph it is plain that if y=x^x then y tends to zero as x tends to zero. So it is not implicitly clear that 0^0 should not equal e in the stated case.

Richard Chester-Browne - 5 years, 5 months ago

The answer is actually e e , because for all positive values of x x , we have x 1 log x = e x^ { \frac{1} { \log x } } = e .

For your approach, we have L = lim x 1 log x L = \lim x^ { \frac{1} { \log x } } , and taking logs we (hope that ) log L = lim log x 1 log x = lim 1 = 1 \log L = \lim \log x^ { \frac{1} { \log x } } = \lim 1 = 1 . Hence, L = e 1 = e L = e^1 = e . Check your working again, and you will see that the error arose from log x 1 log x = x log x \log x ^ { \frac{1}{ \log x } } = x \log x .

Of course, the "hope that" step needs to be justified, as we are swapping the order of operations of 2 functions.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 5 months ago

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My question is: Is x 1 l o g x x^{\frac{1}{logx}} a better representation of 0 0 0^{0} than is x x x^{x} ?

Saidu Konneh - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Nope, neither is a "good" representation of 0 0 0^0 . The point of this question is to explain why the form is considered indeterminante, because the limiting value depends heavily on the path that is chosen. For polynomial paths, the limit is 1. But for other cases, we could get different answers.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 5 months ago

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@Calvin Lin Exactly, this is what I am trying to point out if you read my very first comment carefully. Thank you very much anyway for your patience in replying to my comments, I really do appreciate it. :)

Saidu Konneh - 5 years, 5 months ago

@Calvin Lin Does it mean that l i m x 0 0 0 lim_{x\rightarrow 0} 0^0 doesnot exist because we are getting different answers by using different functions

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@A Former Brilliant Member Essentially yes. For many sequences which do not converge nicely, the path of convergence matters. A good example is talking about lim ( 0 , 0 ) x y \lim_{(0,0)} \frac{x}{y} , which most people are tempted to say is equal to 1. However, it greatly depends on which path you take, and we could make this limit any value that we want.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years ago
Daniel Cheng
Nov 11, 2017

just take a subsequence of points x n = e n x_n = e^{-n} ,as n n \rightarrow \infty , x n 0 x_n \rightarrow 0 , so x 1 / l n ( x ) x^{1/ln(x)} becomes ( e n ) 1 / l n ( e n ) (e^{-n})^{1/ln(e^{-n})} = ( e n ) 1 / n ( e^{-n})^{-1/n} , which is e 1 1 = e 1 = e e^{-1*-1} = e^{1} = e

Qwerty Asdfghjkl
Nov 1, 2017

Make a guess

Brandon Stocks
Apr 20, 2016

The function is a constant, which was not obvious to me. Using the inverse functions of natural log and exponential you have

x^ 1 l n ( x ) \frac{1}{ln(x)} = e^[ ln( x^ 1 l n ( x ) \frac{1}{ln(x)} ) ] = e^[ 1 l n ( x ) \frac{1}{ln(x)} *ln(x) ] = e^1

x^ 1 l n ( x ) \frac{1}{ln(x)} = e, for x>0

So the right-hand limit is e.

Yea, that's one of my favourite "constant functions" to take the limit of.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 1 month ago
Satvik Khurana
May 27, 2014

x^y can be written as exp(y log x ).Hence giving us the answer e..

Arjun Banerjee
Oct 11, 2018

Let log x = z \log x=z then x = e z ; x 0 + z . x=e^z; x\rightarrow 0^+\implies z\rightarrow -\infty. The limit becomes lim z ( e z ) 1 z = lim z e = e \displaystyle\lim_{z\to -\infty}(e^z)^{\frac{1}{z}}=\displaystyle\lim_{z\to -\infty}e=e\quad\square

Ian Fowler
Jul 8, 2018

x^(1/lnx) is identically equal to e.

lim(e) as x--->o+ = e

sorry, I now see the same solution below

That's a great observation!

No worries about submitting the same solution.

Calvin Lin Staff - 2 years, 11 months ago
Antonio Rinaldi
Feb 4, 2018

Let y = ln x y=\ln{x} ; then x = e y x=e^y .

Hence lim x 0 + x 1 ln x = lim e y 0 + e y 1 y = lim e y 0 + e \lim_{x \to 0^+}x^{\frac{1}{\ln{x}}}=\lim_{e^y \to 0^+}{e^y}^{\frac{1}{y}}=\lim_{e^y \to 0^+}e which doesn't depend on y y .

In other words, x 1 ln x x^{\frac{1}{\ln{x}}} is a constant function which is always equal to e e .

Jibran Iqbal
Jan 10, 2018

First we need to assume l n ( x ) ln(x) = y y and then we can say that x = e y x=e^y and and then the expression becomes e [ y 1 / y ] e^[y^1/y] which is e^y * 1/y which is e

Rudra Jadon
Aug 2, 2017

This one was a fairly easy question Lets take y=lim x tends to 0+ (x^(1/lnx) now take ln on both sides we get lny=(1/lnx×lnx) so ln(y) will tend to 1 hence y will tend to e^1 i.e. e.............

Not quite. In this solution, you made a common mistake of assuming that the "functions commute". IE It is not always true that f ( lim x ) ) = lim f ( x ) f( \lim x) ) = \lim f (x) .

Calvin Lin Staff - 3 years, 10 months ago

NOTE:

x 1 ln ( x ) = e ln ( x ) ln ( x ) x^{\frac{1}{\ln \left(x\right)}}=e^{\frac{\ln \left(x\right)}{\ln \left(x\right)}}

Peace Trap
Feb 25, 2016

i think it's the same as 1^infinity 0^0 is defined to be 1, however, it's different from lim (f(n)^g(n)) , n -> infinity where f(n) & g(n) approaches 0 i think the definition comes from polynomials like P(X) = X^2 + 3 it's actually P(X) = X^2 + 3X^0 and P(0) = 3 = 3 0^0 hence the definition! i also think that 1^infinity is 1 and it's also different from some limit but defining such thing doesn't make sense as infinity is not a number

Check out the other solutions to understand how to approach this problem.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 3 months ago
Subin Raj
Feb 19, 2016

Can we use the following logic? Let y=limx->0 x^{ 1 l o g x \frac{1}{log x} } taking log on both sides log y= lim x->0 l o g x l o g x \frac{log x}{log x} => log y=lim x->0 (1) => y=e^{1}

Sayandeb Saha
Jan 9, 2016

Let y=1/logx, then x=e^(1/y),
As x->0+, y->0-,
Now x^(1/logx)=e,
lim x^(1/logx)[when x->0+] =lim e [when y->0-] =e.


David Molano
Dec 23, 2015

Well, this is e e , since log x 1 / log x = 1 log x log x = 1 \log x^{1/\log x}=\frac{1}{\log x}\log x=1 . for all x > 0 x>0 . But that does not mean in any way that lim ( x , y ) 0 x y = 0 0 \lim\limits_{(x,y)\to 0} x^y=0^0 . 0 0 0^0 can be (And in fact is) defined as an algebraic result. If we define 0 0 = 1 0^0=1 , the function f ( x , y ) = x y f(x,y)=x^y wouldn't be continuous in ( 0 , 0 ) (0,0) so applying limits and saying lim ( x , y ) 0 x y = 0 0 \lim\limits_{(x,y)\to 0} x^y=0^0 is not valid.

In Analysis it's very problematic to define 0 0 0^0 , since we should let it be an exception to many rules. But in any way, it's necessary to define it as 1, for example, to evaluate things as: p ( x ) = i = 0 n a i x i p(x)=\displaystyle \sum_{i=0}^n a_i x^i in 0 0 . I mean, your standard polynomial.

Or even in one of the definitions of e x = i = 0 x i i ! e^x=\displaystyle \sum_{i=0}^\infty \frac{x^i}{i!} we know that e 0 = 1 e^0=1 , and to do that we must have 0 0 = 1 0^0=1 , since the first term of the series would be 0 0 0 ! \frac{0^0}{0!} .

Dominick Hing
Aug 6, 2014

Rewrite as

e lim x 0 + ( ln x ( 1 l n x ) ) { e }^{ \lim _{ x\rightarrow { 0 }^{ + } }{ (\ln { { x }^{ (\frac { 1 }{ lnx } ) } } ) } }

then bring down the power on the x to the front of the natural log using the power rule, and this gives...

e lim x 0 + ( 1 l n x ( ln x ) ) { e }^{ \lim _{ x\rightarrow { 0 }^{ + } }{ (\frac { 1 }{ lnx } *(\ln { { x } } )) } }

ln(x) statements cancel out, leaving us with

e lim x 0 + ( 1 ) { e }^{ \lim _{ x\rightarrow { 0 }^{ + } }{ (1) } }

or simply, e

(ln stands for natural log)

Aman Gautam
Jul 13, 2014

lim x^{\frac{1}{logx}} = e^{\frac{1}{logx}] \ times (1-x) taking x=x - 1 so lim \frac{logx}{x - 1} therefore e^{1}

Joe Lamond
Jun 9, 2021

By definition, if x > 0 x>0 then x 1 / log x = exp ( 1 log x log x ) = exp ( 1 ) = e . x^{1/\log x}=\exp\left(\frac{1}{\log x } \cdot \log x\right)=\exp(1)=e \, . Since the function x 1 / log x x^{1/\log x} is identically equal to e e for all x > 0 x>0 , the limit must be e e .

Bostang Palaguna
Jun 8, 2020

just open up: https://www.geogebra.org/calculator , and type the function. :P

Nicola Coccia
May 19, 2020

Should remember the equation: x=e^lnx

So x^1/lnx= e^ln(x^1/lnx)

For log. properties ln (x^x ) = x lnx so

ln(x^1/lnx)= lnx/lnx ==> e^ln(x^1/lnx)=e

For any values of x

Andrea Palma
Oct 16, 2019

x 1 ln x x^\frac{1}{\ln x} is a constant function well defined in domain R + \mathbb R_+ . This value is e e in fact

x 1 ln x = e ln ( x 1 ln x ) = e 1 ln x ln x = e ln x ln x = e 1 = e . x^\frac{1}{\ln x} = e^{\ln\left( x^\frac{1}{\ln x} \right)} = e^{\frac{1}{\ln x} \cdot \ln x } = e^{\frac{\ln x}{\ln x}} = e^1 = e.

So, for every k R + { 0 } k \in \mathbb R_+ \cup \{ 0 \} we have

lim x t o k x 1 ln x = lim x k e = e . \lim_{x \rightarrow to k} x^\frac{1}{\ln x} = \lim_{x \rightarrow k} e = e.

Jennifer H
Aug 23, 2019

I believe this can be done without the limits too (as the l n x lnx cancel out on the penultimate line):

lim x 0 x 1 l n x = lim x 0 e ( l n x 1 l n x ) \lim_{x \to 0} x^\frac{1}{ln x} = \lim_{x \to 0} e^{(lnx^\frac{1}{ln x})}

= lim x 0 e 1 l n x × l n x = \lim_{x \to 0} e^{{\frac{1}{ln x}} \times lnx}

= lim x 0 e l n x l n x = \lim_{x \to 0} e^\frac{ln x}{ln x}

= e = e

Yes indeed :)

Calvin Lin Staff - 1 year, 9 months ago
José Alejandro
Aug 4, 2019

lim x 0 + x 1 ln x = lim x 0 + ( e ln x ) 1 ln x = lim x 0 + e 1 = e \lim_{x \to 0^+} x^{\frac{1}{\ln{x}}} = \lim_{x \to 0^+} (e^{\ln x})^{\frac{1}{\ln{x}}} = \lim_{x \to 0^+} e^1 = e ln x \ln x and 1 ln x \frac{1}{\ln x} are defined for x > 0 x > 0 (technically excluding 1 1 for 1 ln x \frac{1}{\ln x} though that's unimportant for the limit) so we can multiply the exponents with no worries.

Edgar Mwila
Mar 26, 2019

given the equation 0/0=x whatever value we use as x will satisfy the equation.

Can you elaborate on how this is relevant tot he problem?

Calvin Lin Staff - 2 years, 2 months ago

Let y= x^(1/log x). Thus, logy =1 Thus, limit(log y,x,0) = limit(1,x,0). By applying composite function theorem, log(limit(y,x,0) = 1. Thus, raising both terms of the equation to the power of e, we get limit(y,x,0) = e. Thus, limit(x^1/(log x) ,x,0) =e.

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