Minimize This Sum!

Algebra Level 2

If a × b × c × d × e = 1 a \times b\times c\times d\times e=1 and a , b , c , d a, b, c, d and e e are all positive real numbers, what is the minimum value of a + b + c + d + e a+b+c+d+e ?


The answer is 5.

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87 solutions

Shubham Sinha
Jul 4, 2014

Using AM-GM , we have that a + b + c + d + e 5 a b c d e 5 a + b + c + d + e 5 1 a + b + c + d + e 5 \frac { a+b+c+d+e }{ 5 } \ge \sqrt [ 5 ]{ abcde } \\ \frac { a+b+c+d+e }{ 5 } \ge 1\\ \quad a+b+c+d+e \ge 5

Dividing by five is finding the average of "a,b,c,d,e". It's a clever way to relate the sum of n terms to the product of n terms. The arithmetic mean is always greater than or equal to the geometric mean.

Ahmed Abdelqader - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Nice question

Nasreen Gul - 5 years, 9 months ago

Is 5 really the answer? a b c d e must not be the same number, so putting 5 as the answer, requires all variables to be exactly 1. Brilliant requires us to put 5, EXACTLY 5. Minimum value means the answer is included. 5 is not acceptable as an answer. Even Shubham answers with >= which I also think is unacceptable. I see your point from Math. But, answering this question Brilliant put with 5 is just wrong.

Maybe Brilliant should use sentence like this: "... the value of a+b+c+d+e must be larger than? 5 is acceptable then in this case.

Rikardo Pardede - 6 years, 4 months ago

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It never states that a,b,c,d and e must be different integers.

A Former Brilliant Member - 5 years, 12 months ago

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I immediately recognized that the problem did not state that the variables were distinct, that said, it seemed far too easy to just count each number as 1 and thus I assumed that the variables were labeled differently to indicate that they were distinct as this made the problem significantly more difficult. Using inverted fractions it does not seem possible to get 5. I realize that it was an assumption (as many have pointed out), but it seems to me that labeling the variables differently just misleads the solver without adding to the merit of the problem. It may not be a rule that differently labeled variables have different values, especially where the variables represent measurements as some have pointed out. But there is no indication that these represent measurements of anything. Instead one arrives quickly at two possibilities, either they can all be the same integer and the problem is stupidly simple, or they cannot be the same and the problem is decidedly more difficult (seemingly impossible). Given that the point of the site is to challenge people, the latter is a natural assumption, which is why the problem is misleading.

Ravi Arora - 5 years, 3 months ago

No,5 being the answer doesnt mean all variables are exactly equals to 1. Consider a=86/100 multiplied with b=100/86.The answer comes out to be 1. Let c=78/45 and d=45/78. And consider e=1.Find out the sum,you will get close to 5.Remember this is just a consideration,so the answer is not impromptu 5.

Saswata Saha - 6 years, 3 months ago

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86/100 + 100/86 + 78/45 + 45/78 + 1 = 5.333

Carlos Francisco Montoya Mejía - 5 years, 10 months ago

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@Carlos Francisco Montoya Mejía Lol how did u get 5.3333?

Nate Boardman - 5 years, 10 months ago

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@Nate Boardman Adding fractions is not the same as multiplying fractions.

Matthew Wiggins - 5 years, 9 months ago

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@Matthew Wiggins Remember you want the minimum sum of the numbers. If any combination is used other than ones, you'll find that the sum of the numbers will come to greater than 5. As a simple case, take 9 10 \frac {9}{10} and 10 9 \frac {10}{9} as a a and b b . If all the other values are 1, the product will be 1, but the sum will be

9 10 + 10 9 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5.01 1 ˙ \frac {9}{10} + \frac {10}{9}\ + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5.01\dot{1}

Of course, the closer these fractions get to 1, the closer the sum gets to 5, where it will be the minimum.

Delano Might - 5 years, 8 months ago

They all have to be integers though.

A Former Brilliant Member - 5 years, 12 months ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member See the question again The numbers must be positive real numbers not only integers but fractions and irrational no are also included.

Sonali Sinha - 5 years, 11 months ago

If a+b+c+d+e >=5, it means that the sum is greater than OR EQUAL TO 5. All values of a+b+c+d+e other than 5 are greater than 5. So the question is correct. If it was only '>' sign, then you are right. But the sign is '>='. Also, question doesn't state a,b,c,d,e are distinct. So, 1,1,1,1,1 is a legitimate solution.

Daren Lobo - 5 years, 11 months ago

Yes 5 is the answer

Shirley M. - 5 years, 11 months ago

no ,never!!!!!!!!

Nashmi N .Sulthan - 5 years, 11 months ago

They where two different problems one be G multiplication and the other being addition it asked about the addition question

Jasmia Goss - 5 years, 11 months ago

As there are 5 integers 1 must be 1 and other 4 must be 4th root 1 right? Or have I got my maths wrong?

Hydra . - 5 years, 3 months ago

I completely agree with u because this is something I just learned in my math class ... If all the variables were the same number than all of them would be the same letter because if a=1 it would be stupid and hard to solve an equation if b=1

Cari Gilio - 5 years ago

The question does not explicitly state that a, b, c, d, and e are distinct positive real numbers, so you can assume that all five numbers can be the same number.

Elizabeth Wang - 5 years, 9 months ago

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This may be tture but just in the crazy yet simple math language multiple varibles cannot equal the same number no matter what the problem is

Cari Gilio - 5 years ago

What times 5 = 1? 1. 1+1+1+1+1=5

Robert Smith - 6 years, 11 months ago

of the 5 numbers, two pairs may be reciprocal pairs, Then the fifth number will necessarily be 1. Minimum value of the sum of any two real positive reciprocal numbers is 2, with each one of them being 1. So all the five numbers are equal to 1. Hence the sum is 5.

Chandrasekharan Lakshminarayanan - 5 years, 11 months ago

This answer is tiny little insufficient enough to determine the solution. Using A M G M AM \geq GM maybe prove that a + b + c + d + e a + b + c + d + e cannot be 4.99 but doesn't necessarily fix the minimum value as 5. There could be some other genius inequality that says a + b + c + d + e 6 a + b + c + d + e \geq 6 . If you just provide an example for the case of a + b + c + e + d = 5 , a + b + c + e + d = 5, which would be a = b = c = d = e = 1 a = b = c = d = e = 1 , it will be perfect.

Changhun Lee - 6 years, 10 months ago

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Isn't -3 much lower than 5?. Because abcde can be equal to (-1)(-1)(-1)(-1)(1). Therefore, (-1)+(-1)+(-1)+(-1)+(1)=-3. -3 is suppose to be the answer.

Covan Sherawan - 6 years, 3 months ago

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The problem states they must all be POSITIVE real numbers.

Tim Morris - 6 years, 2 months ago

@Covan Sherawan
-1 is negative real number

wihi miuli - 5 years, 11 months ago

a b c d e must be positive . Read the problem again.

Fatimah KH - 5 years, 9 months ago

Nope... "are all positive real numbers"

Sambita Patas Mágicas - 5 years, 10 months ago

a b c d and e are all positive real numbers.

Buntoon Saengreaung - 5 years, 10 months ago

Positive real no

Nutan Sai - 5 years, 10 months ago

Lol abcde are non-negative numbers

peter thomson - 5 years, 6 months ago

It is told in the qus that: the numbers given are all positive real numbers.. So, you can't let the numbers negative.. Hope you've got it.. :)

Optimum Rakib - 5 years, 10 months ago

But the condition is a, b, c, d and e are all POSITIVE real numbers.

Arun Das - 5 years, 10 months ago

there will be 5 roots for the fifth root of 1 ... Why didn't you consider the remaining roots ????

Nishant Thiagarajan - 6 years, 4 months ago

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All the 4 other roots are imaginary. a,b,c,d,e are real, so their sum must not be a complex number.(to the best of my knowledge)

Daren Lobo - 5 years, 11 months ago

How could you know it had to be divided by five :/ please explain

Amogh Am-ogh - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Please read Calvin's post on the AM-GM inequality.

Joshua Ong - 6 years, 11 months ago

When you are using the Arithmetic mean, you must divide de sum of n terms by n. In this problem there was 5 terms, so he must divide by 5 to use de Arithmetic mean.

Fernando Raúl Cortez Chávez - 6 years, 11 months ago

To find arithmetic mean we have to divide the sum of observations by number of observations. ie 5 in this case. :)

Sudhanshu Kumar - 6 years, 10 months ago

aXbXcXdXe=1 There are five numbers here. So 1/5=0.2

a+b+c+d+e=? But the value of each number is 0.2, so, 0.2+0.2+0.2+0.2+0.2=1

Andrew Williams - 5 years, 6 months ago

what will be the answer if a=b=c=d=e=1/5?

Malla Aravind - 5 years, 11 months ago

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Here a×b×c×d×e is not equal to 1

Sonali Sinha - 5 years, 11 months ago

I believe the stem has "positive real" and perhaps it means "positive integer"

Josh Pritchard - 5 years, 10 months ago

Excellent logic!

Tanushree Thappa - 5 years, 10 months ago

Gud. To. See it... I could learn sthing

Rahi Gohil - 5 years, 10 months ago

What if a b c d & e can be equal than in this case the answer will be 2

prateek anand - 5 years, 10 months ago

Liked how you solved the problem.

Dladla Arthur - 5 years, 10 months ago

I'm sorry but it could not equal 4

Michael Price - 5 years, 9 months ago

Didn't state that all integers must be equal So all integers equal one and 5 is the correct answer

Abdel-kader Orabi - 5 years, 9 months ago

what if a,b,c,d and e are not equal?

Venkateswaran Krishnamoorthy - 5 years, 8 months ago

can you explain it easily?? AM>_GM MEAN WHA???

Istiak Ahmed - 5 years, 8 months ago

A very clever use of the AM -GM inequality

Lehasa Seoe - 5 years, 8 months ago

What if "a" was equal to -1, "b" as well, and "c" and "d" but "e" was equal to positive 1? Then -1 x -1 x -1 x -1 x 1 = 1, but when you add them you get 1.

Matthew Volgren - 5 years, 5 months ago

Can't it be -3? Because -1 -1 -1 -1 1=1?

Jasper Tangchitsumran - 5 years, 4 months ago

There could be infinite ways to answer this question. Except 5, there are other answers to be found, this wasn't fair when you only have three tries.

Yannick Gata - 5 years, 4 months ago

We should also consider -ve numbers

Shivam Chhabra - 5 years, 4 months ago

We should also consider -ve numbers which will make the answer Minus infinity

Shivam Chhabra - 5 years, 4 months ago

What if a=b=c=d= -1 and e=1 the answer will be -3 hah

Rohan Sharma - 5 years, 4 months ago

And four of a, b, c, d and e can be -1 and the remaining will be 1.

So, the product is 1 and, The summation is -4.

DHRUVIK SHAH - 5 years, 4 months ago

This makes absolutely no sense

Brandon Roy - 5 years, 3 months ago

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No,this makes perfect sense.

Abdur Rehman Zahid - 5 years, 1 month ago

its an a nice question but i can`t recognice it

Rahul Venam - 5 years, 1 month ago

I think it should be specified that a,b,c,d,e cannot coincide, otherwise the answer can be 1 , and that's the reason there's all this confusion in the comments. :]

Stef Kostov - 5 years, 1 month ago

I want a proof for this rule can you guide me ??

Ibrahem Abd El Ghany - 5 years, 1 month ago

(-1) (-1) (-1) (-1) 1 = 1

(-1)+(-1)+(-1)+(-1)+1 = -3

But you know...

fabien huet - 5 years ago

1=(ax1,bx1,cx1,dx1,ex1) x 1=5 or a1+b1+c1+d1+e1 = 5 as positive number as 1, not negative so its accedending.

Samuel Cavanagh - 4 years, 11 months ago

how it ispossible

aniket bhardwaj - 6 years, 11 months ago

Isn't -3 much lower than 5?. Because abcde can be equal to (-1)(-1)(-1)(-1)(1). Therefore, (-1)+(-1)+(-1)+(-1)+(1)=-3. -3 is suppose to be the answer.

Covan Sherawan - 6 years, 3 months ago

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You are correct

Michael Price - 5 years, 9 months ago

a=b=c=d=-1,e=1=>abcde=1,a+b+c+d+e=-4+1=-3

Prafulla Kumar Sahu - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Said that they are positive numbers

Tinu Joy - 6 years, 11 months ago

a , b , c , d , e > 0 a,b,c,d,e>0

mathh mathh - 6 years, 11 months ago

a,b,c,d are positive real numbers

sasidhar dhavala - 6 years, 10 months ago

Numbers were taken to be positive.

Manit Gupta - 6 years, 4 months ago

abcde should all be different

Jason Abraham - 6 years, 10 months ago

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No, they don't. Having different symbols does not necessarily mean having different values.

Ahmad Ridha - 5 years, 9 months ago
Shane Perry
Jan 11, 2015

Use your logic to answer this question. We only need to look at two values to determine the logic and the answer. If a < 1, for ab = 1, b must be greater than 1, thereby making the sum of a and b, when a<1 and b>1, greater than the sum of a and b when a = 1, and b = 1. Ex: (1/2) x (2) = 1.

1 x 1 = 1. 1 + 1 = 2. By this example we see that any value of a, b, c, d, or e that is not 1 will yield a sum which is larger than when a, b, c, d, and e all equal 1. The answer is then 5: 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1.

Exactly the same way I approached the problem! I am Brazilian as well!haha

Luan Vieira - 5 years, 11 months ago

I too used the same logic

Nilesh Kumar - 4 years, 5 months ago
Krishna Garg
Jul 5, 2014

Since a,b,c,d,e are real +ve number and product is 1,that means values of a,b,c,de and e are 1 .therefore sum of all these that is a+b+c+d+e =5 Ans K.K.GARG,India

@krishna garg. Why their values are 1 ? It said real +ve .... they could be 3,1/3,5,1/5,1 and still abcde = 1 !!!

Mahade Hasan - 6 years, 11 months ago

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asking for minimum value and your 2, 1/3, 5, 1/5, 1 give sum greater than even 5 lol

Sachin Mourya - 6 years, 11 months ago

could be,but simplest is 1,for a,b,c,d, & e.So i chose that one . Thanks for other alternatives. K.K.GARg,India

Krishna Garg - 6 years, 11 months ago

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The point is that you cannot directly assume that they all have to be 1.

Joshua Ong - 6 years, 11 months ago

... 1 is a real number, real numbers are number that exist... even 1/3 and 1/5 are not real numbers, they are rational numbers...

Raymond Julianto - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Er.. 1/3 and 1/5 are very much real numbers

Vishwa Shah - 6 years, 10 months ago

Please detail this ans

Narendra Dubey - 5 years, 10 months ago
Mathh Mathh
Jul 3, 2014

{ a , b , c , d , e > 0 a b c d e = 1 a + b + c + d + e AM-GM 5 a b c d e = 5. \begin{cases}a,b,c,d,e>0\\abcde=1\end{cases}\implies a+b+c+d+e\stackrel{\text{AM-GM}}\ge 5\sqrt{abcde}=5.

Since 5 5 can be reached when a = b = c = d = e = 1 a=b=c=d=e=1 , the answer is 5 \boxed{5} .

Here a = b = c = d = e = 1 a=b=c=d=e=1 .

A Brilliant Member - 6 years, 11 months ago

hw can 5 5 5 5 5 be 1

zahir sajjad - 6 years, 11 months ago

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5+5+5+5+5 is not the answer its a+b+c+d+e = 5

Rahul Ujjal - 6 years, 11 months ago

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a, b, c, d , and e all must be positive reals such that a x b x b x d x e = 1. Now suppose c=d=e=1 and we can essentially remove them. Now we need a and b such that a x b=1. Now if we choose a=999, then choose b= 1/999, then a x b=1 holds and we have a far greater sum than 5 as most pointed out. In fact, we can place no upper limit on the sum a+b+c+d+e as we could choose a to be some uncountable large number and as long as the multiplicative inverse is chosen for b, the first equation holds.

Brian Vaughan - 5 years, 12 months ago
Gregory Bonilla
Aug 25, 2015

you people make simple questions hard for no reason at all

It was simple really, all you had to do was figure out what value could be multiplied 5 times and still equal one. Which is one, then you plug one into all the other variables, and add them together. It doesn't have to be that complicated

Bryce Absher
Jan 8, 2016

Uhm... But what if it's like this: a, b, c, and d all equal -1, and e equals 1. That would suit the equation and the sum would be -3..?

the problem say they're all positive real numbers

Bella S. - 4 years, 11 months ago
Michael Price
Aug 18, 2015

4 of those can be -1 since a negative times a negative is a positive thus -1×-1×-1×-1×1=1 So -1+-1+-1+-1+1=-3 so really the answer could be -3 or -1 or 5 as an equal amount would have to be negative to remain as a positive one with multiplication.

agree with michel

Shahariar Ryehan - 5 years ago

The question says all values are positive and real numbers

Bella S. - 4 years, 11 months ago
Nakul S Prakash
Jul 17, 2015

Answer is 5 as the only way u can get 1 on multipling five digits is twhen each digit is 1 and 1+1+1+1+1 equals 5

If a, b, c, d, e must be positive Real numbers, you could have a = b 1 a=b^{-1}

Enric Florit - 5 years, 7 months ago
Hyunseog Lee
Jul 7, 2015

I'm pretty sure that "real number" isn't the same as "only integers".

Saba Tiku
Jul 2, 2015

If (a)(b)(c)(d)(e)=1 then, a+b+c+d+e = ? means 1+1+1+1+1=5 so then answer is 5

a×b×c×d×e=1 so the opposite of multiplication is addition,which makes the problem a+b+c+d+e since a×b×c×d×e=1 then the new problem will be 1+1+1+1+1 which equals 5.

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سامي القفاص - 5 years, 11 months ago
Anuj Purwar
Jun 26, 2015

5 1+1+1+1+1=5 5 times 1

Garrett Iron
Jun 23, 2015

They multiplied the first equation. And added the second. They all are 1. 1x1=1 as for 1+1=2 so 1x1x1x1x1=1 and 1+1+1+1+1=5.

Rudolph Allison
Jun 22, 2015

All integers multiplied together equal one so when each integer is one when added equals five.

Naga Raj
Dec 10, 2016

First observe the conditions (all are real positive numbers and abcde=1). Real numbers doesn't contain integers .. So we use 1,2,3,4......... Product must be 1...so all letters are substituted by 1. Hence we get abcde=1 and a+b+c+d+e=5.

The answer could also had been 1 because if one though about this logically if the answer is a positive number there only needs to be an odd number of positive factors for the product to become a positive number using this -1•1•1•1•-1 is still equal to positive 1 therefore if you added these numbers together the answer would have been 1

Patrick Tognetti
Jul 26, 2016

-1x-1x-1x-1x1=1

Minimum = -3

Jayant Pujari
Jun 22, 2016

abcde=1. this means a=1,b=1,c=1d=1,e=1 so that a+b+c+d+e=5. (1+1+1+1+1=5)

Katie Van Dusen
Jun 18, 2016

A b c d and e cannot all be variables for 1, in terms of alegbra, it is not correct.

How about if a,b,c,d=-1and e=1 so -1×-1×-1×-1×1=1 and a+b+c+d+e are -1-1-1-1+1=3

The problem says only positive, real numbers

Bella S. - 4 years, 11 months ago
Xu Sam
Jun 4, 2016

1.0000000000000000000000001 =1

Mar Tin
May 30, 2016

The answer should be -3, if we multiply (-1)×(-1) (-1) (-1)*1=-3 -3 < 5

Rex Holmes
May 14, 2016

All the letters = 1 so 1 +1+1+1+1+1 = 5

Paul Kasaty
May 11, 2016

Perhaps I'm missing something. Given that the integers can all be the same based on the correct answer, couldn't all but one of them be -1, resulting in an answer of -3?

In the problem, it is written that a , b , c , d , e a, b, c, d, e are positive real numbers. Hence none of them can be 1 -1 .

Note that if negative numbers were allowed, then the minimum of a + b + c + d + e a + b + c + d+ e would not exist. We can choose numbers like 10000 , 1 10000 , 1 , 1 , 1 -10000, -\frac{1}{10000}, -1, -1, 1 . The product of these numbers is 1, and their sum is close to 10000 -10000 .

Pranshu Gaba - 5 years, 1 month ago
F A
Apr 6, 2016

I don't know why but i thought e was the natural number. Maybe the way it was written.

Brian Chiang
Mar 31, 2016

what is AM-GM? somone please explain

Cora Pollock
Mar 30, 2016

Everyone gave such in depth answers, I achieved the answer by realising that one times one is simply one, no matter how many times you times one by one...

What if some of them were negative? E.g. -1x-1x-1x-1x1=1 -1+-1+-1+-1+1=-3 Is there some reason I cannot do this?

Hansen Chang
Mar 4, 2016

Logic.... 1 * 1 * 1 * 1 * 1 = 1

Therefore

1+1+1+1+1=5

Harshit Jain
Feb 23, 2016

If the answer after multiplication will be 1 and they are positive real numbers then the value of a=b=c=d=e=1 so sum is 5

Using Calculus, a minimum value is found by taking the derivative of the equation. The derivative of, a, (variable) is always 1 and derivative of 5(constant) is 0. So 5 variables added together gives you 5 and on the other side the derivative of that constant is 0 so you get a derivative of 5 being the minimum value

Henry Lin
Jan 24, 2016

Wtf it's so easy guys what's with all this random working out, if it's multiplied and youre answer is 1 and on top of that it's a positive natural number then obviously a b c d e can't be irrational, furthermore if u read the question carefully and think, it doesnt say a b c d e are distinct thus the obvious answer for a b c d e are 1 hence the sum would be 5.

Mike Seebeck
Dec 14, 2015

Lotsa overthinking here in the comments. The key is the first equation and the axiom that a real product of 1 must have all factors equal 1, making a..e all equal 1. Then simply add them up.

Gabriel Hanciu
Nov 21, 2015

If a=b=c=d=-1 and e=1 => a x b x c x d x e=1 and a+b+c+d+e=-3, min(-3,5)=-3

Ali Reda
Nov 11, 2015

Guys, Let's consider that a=1 b=-1 c=1 d=1 e=-1 so when multiplying the result is 1 and the addition is 1

Janey Lawson
Nov 8, 2015

I randomly guessed cause I couldn't work it out

Joseph Williams
Oct 23, 2015

Ummmmmm, I just looked at the multiplication part. If all those variables multiplied equals 1, then each variable has to be equal to 1. Adding them together equals 5

Claire Meng
Oct 18, 2015

If the numbers have to be positive and multiply to be one, then it has to be one. One is the only number that can be multiplied to itself and still have one. Then, 1+1+1+1+1=5

Milan Soni
Oct 18, 2015

The given equation a.b.c.d.e=1 is only possible if a=b=c=d=e=1 then just add all the five terms you'll get the answer "5".

Abery Chan
Oct 3, 2015

using the rule of indices, a 0 = 1 a^{0} =1 . therefore, the answer of this question for the sum of all the values a, b, c, d, e can be as little as 0.0000000000000001. However, as the answer required is an integer, the smallest acceptable answer of all the values a, b, c, d, e should be: 1 0 + 1 0 + 1 0 + 1 0 + 1 0 = 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5 1^{0} + 1^{0} + 1^{0} + 1^{0} + 1^{0} = 1+ 1+ 1+ 1+ 1 = 5

Blake Parker
Sep 30, 2015

1x1x1x1x1=1, 1+1+1+1+1=5. It's that easy

Drake Wilcox
Sep 25, 2015

I get why it is 5.

Emily Jiang
Sep 14, 2015

Nobody ever said that the five numbers had to be different.

Rajalaxmi Mishra
Sep 14, 2015

Since a,b,c,d,e all are +ve real numbers, a×b×c×d×e=1 iff a=b=c=d=e=1. Hence a+b+c+d+e=1+1+1+1+1=5

If a is 1, b is 2, c is 1/2, d is 3 and e is 1/3, then abcde is 1 and a+b+c+d+e is 5 and 5/6. You can put any guess on the value of abcde and it's always going to be greater than 5. The lowest answer would be 5 based on the assumption that a=b=c=d=e=1.

Kofi Agyeman
Sep 7, 2015

I just assumed that the only way you can multiply 5 numbers by each other and get 1 is if all the numbers were 1. Then I added to make 5. Surprised I actually got it.

Daniel Garcia
Sep 5, 2015

This is my attempt to solve it 1+1.1+1/1.1+1.2+1/1.2= 5,04 That's The nearest I could get to 5 But I realized that we can use a kind of limit. Where any operación we can do will tend to 5, but never tocuh this point

Aditya Gupta
Sep 5, 2015

if axbxcxdxe = 1 only when a=b=c=d=e=1, then a+b+c+d+e=1+1+1+1+1=5

1×1×1×1×1=1 so for positive real nos a=1 b=1 c=1 d=1 e=1. So a+b+c+d+e=5

Josh Smith
Aug 30, 2015

1 times itself is always 1. With that knowledge you just add 1+1+1+1+1=5 Simple logic understanding of basic algebra will help you solve this problem.

We are not given that a,b,c,d,e are distinct s o we can their values as 1

Martino Cremona
Aug 27, 2015

1+0.5+8+1/3+3=5??!?

Ishita .S
Aug 24, 2015

a b c d e=1 That means all of the letters = 1 So a+b+c+d+e=1+1+1+1+1=5

Panda Edmondson
Aug 24, 2015

I didn't use quite as mathmatical methods as most people seemed to have used.

I at first thought that all numbers would be different and would be something like, "0.25x0.2x1x0.2..." etc, because I thought that all the numbers had to be different.

But I couldn't find the 5th term that would enable me to make "a x b x c x d x e = 1".

So I realised the numbers could all be the same and all be 1; thus 1^5 = 1 . Simples. :)

Narayan Rai
Aug 22, 2015

am>=gm (a+b+c+d+e)/5>=9abcde)^(1/5)

Tordillos Marvin
Aug 20, 2015

ahaha...didn't even got me ten seconds...just think simple...no need for other difficult solutions...

Let : a = 1 ; b = 1 ; c = 1 ; d = 1 ; e = 1

so, 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 = 1

then : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5 that's it!

Nouman Bashir
Aug 10, 2015

A b c d e=1 So all are equal to 1so you just need to add all 1 and you get answer

Yvonne Staley
Aug 9, 2015

Funny...I just added to get a sum of five. Hmm

Matthew Winter
Aug 8, 2015

You get 1 as an answer in multiplication only by using 1 x 1. Doesn't matter how many times you multiply by 1, so still get 1 as an answer. This means that a, b, c, d and e must all be the number 1.

A+B+C+D+E = 1+1+1+1+1 = 5.

Not exactly. The question does not explicitly state that the variables must be integers. Only that they have to be positive REAL numbers. This means they can also be fractions. While your statement is partially correct, you can also multiply a fraction times its reciprocal to get a product of 1.

For example: 3 5 × 5 3 = 1 \frac{3}{5} × \frac{5}{3} = 1

However the same rules does not apply to addition. 3 5 + 5 3 = 34 15 \frac{3}{5} + \frac{5}{3} = \frac{34}{15}

So you could have almost an infinite number solutions for the values of the variables, depending on how many times you played around with the fractions, which would still multiply to 1. But the farther the fractions get from 1, the larger the sum would be. Therefore the answer 5 is correct as it is the minimum possible sum of the 5 numbers.

Michael Martin - 5 years, 7 months ago
Abbas Majeed
Aug 8, 2015

value of a,b,c,d cannot be fractional because in this case there should be a multiplicative inverse too , so 1+1+1+1+1=5

Saleh Nasim
Aug 5, 2015

positive real numbers means 1 or above. so minimum value 1. so 1+1+1+1+1=5

Sheng Hong Pang
Aug 4, 2015

Just assume that a,b,c,d,e are 1. That's all.

Chelsea Long
Jul 31, 2015

If a x b x c x d x e = 1, then all the variables have to equal 1. The only way for a number to be by multiplied by another number and equal 1 is 1x1=1. If each variable is 1, then a + b + c + d + e = 1+1+1+1+1 = 5. Also note, there is nothing written in the problem that says that the variables cannot be the same number.

Samina Ashraf
Jul 31, 2015

the lowest possible positive number is 1, so i supposed all are 1, it could not be 0 coz after multiplication.. the answer would be zero.. so then supposing all lowest possible, i.e. 1 we get the ans 5 after addition

Brittani Brooks
Jul 28, 2015

Now at first I was confused because even though it said the minimum number, it didn't exactly say it had to be an integer. So there are an infinite number of possible minimum outcomes. But I went based off the assumption that all numbers are equal to 1. I was making the same point to myself as to what another person said that two numbers could be reciprocals of each other and just one constant be equal to one.

Phuong Nguyen
Jul 27, 2015

thanks to Cauchy and AM-GM inequality

Angelo Curcio
Jul 22, 2015

It'sreally very easy. a x b x c x d x e =1. They are all whole numbers. No decimals. The only way this is possible is for a,b,c,d,and e to equal 1. Plug in any other number, and it doesn't work. Since they all equal 1, simple arithmetic: 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 =5

Yup, you are absolutely right I have also used the same method.

Saman Tanveer - 5 years, 10 months ago
Adarsh Mahor
Jul 18, 2015

If we multiply any no. By one then the answer is that no. A b c d e=1 So logically all veriable are 1 A+b+c+d+e=5. So,, 1+1+1+1+1=5 So answer. Is 5

Murali Dharan
Jul 18, 2015

First, think, if the value of product of "n" numbers is 1, then all the numbers got to be 1 or fractions like 1 (1/5) 1 (1/5) 1. But, solving these fractions would result in a number, which is greater than 5. So, 1+1+1+1+1=5 gotta be the answer fellas!

Arkosano .
Jul 13, 2015

I know this will stupid but if in the multiplication problem it said (a)(b)(c)(d)(e)=1 that says each number is 1 so when added instead I got 5. maybe some people just thought to much into an easy problem.

Brian Lee
Jul 12, 2015

Kinda a lazy way to solve the problem but just assume every letter equals 1 lol.

Pramod Nahar
Jul 11, 2015

let the all numbers is 1 the 1/1 1/1 1/1 1/1 1/1=1 now , a+b+c+d+e = 1+1+1+1+1/1=5/1 the answer is 5

Satyam Singh
Jul 10, 2015

am>=gm (a+b+c+d+e)/5>=1 a+b+c+d+e>5

Anton Shkrunin
Jul 10, 2015

Ok, this one is not stark logical, i make two unproved assumptions, but that's how i got a 5 on first attempt:

I assumed you can get a 1 1 from multyplying terms if pairs of them are co-inverse b = 1 / a , d = 1 / b b = 1/a, d = 1/b and the remaining term e = 1. e=1.

In this case you get an expression:

a + 1 / a + b + 1 / b + 1 a + 1/a + b + 1/b + 1

( 2 a + 1 ) / a + ( 2 b + 1 ) / b + 1 = 5 + ( a + b ) / a b (2a+1)/a+(2b+1)/b + 1 = 5 + (a+b)/ab

( 2 a b + b + 2 a b + a + a b ) / a b (2ab+b+2ab+a+ab)/ab

( 5 a b + a + b ) / a b (5ab+a+b)/ab

5 + ( a + b ) / a b 5 + (a+b)/ab

and from there i assumed a a and b b can be as small as 0+, which makes the relation 0+

Sabika Ali
Jun 29, 2015

Its quite simple.. 1 is a prime number while multiplying each variable must have the same value=1.. When u add all variable its equal to 5

Yuval Timen
Jun 29, 2015

I got 5 as the answer too, but then I thought of something: what if a=100 and b=1/100; c,d, and e are all 1. The sum would then be greater than 5, no? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Well...you are right. 5 is the minimum value of a + b + c + d + e a+b+c+d+e however this is not a proof...The only I thought as a proof before watching other users' answers/solutions is the following:

Let a , b a,b be positive real numbers satisfying the equation a b = 1 a \cdot b = 1 . Then there is a positive real x x such as a = x , b = 1 x a = x, b = \frac{1}{x} so that the above equation is true. So the sum of a a and b b is:

a + b = x + 1 x a + b = x + \frac{1}{x}

= x + 1 x + 2 2 = x + \frac{1}{x} +2 -2

= x 2 + 1 x + 2 = x -2 + \frac{1}{x} +2

= ( x ) 2 2 x 1 x + ( 1 x ) 2 + 2 = (\sqrt{x})^2 -2\cdot\sqrt{x}\cdot\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} +(\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}})^2 +2

= ( x 1 x ) 2 + 2 2 = (\sqrt{x} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}})^2 +2 \geq 2 //since ( x 1 x ) 2 (\sqrt{x}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}})^2 is a square

So the minimum value is given by the equation:

( x 1 x ) 2 + 2 = 2 (\sqrt{x} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}})^2 +2 = 2

( x 1 x ) 2 = 0 \Rightarrow (\sqrt{x} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}})^2 = 0

x 1 x = 0 \Rightarrow \sqrt{x} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} = 0

x = 1 x \Rightarrow \sqrt{x} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}

x = 1 x x 2 = 1 \Rightarrow x = \frac{1}{x} \Rightarrow x^2 = 1

x = 1 \Rightarrow \boxed{x = 1} // 1 -1 value is rejected since x is a positive real number

So the minimum value of the sum of a a and b b is 2 2 for a = b = 1 a = b = 1 . I think this proof is nice but works only for an even number of variables. I don't really know how this proof can be helpful in a situation like this where the number of variables is odd...

Chris Galanis - 5 years, 11 months ago

You're correct. But the question asked for the minimum value.

Nicholas Yamasaki - 5 years, 11 months ago
Deepak Tomar
Jun 28, 2015

We know a b c d e are +ve real no.s ... so we know we have two real no.s and their multiplicative inverse amongst these 5 no.s... Now we are left with only one remaining no. But it should be 1 because the product of the (no. , multiplicative inverse) pair is 1 and the actual product of 5 no.s is 1...

So say we have a, 1/a, b, 1/b, 1 as our 5 given no.s... and we want to find out min. Value of a+1/a+b+1/b+1.... and we know min. Value of a +1/a is 2... so we have... 2+2+1 which equals 5.

Aneesh S.
Jun 26, 2015

It never states that the integers must be distinct, so you can automatically assume that all the numbers equal 1 if the product itself is one.

Natarssja Cockett
Jun 24, 2015

This solution is not valid because when working in algebra all letters that are different require different numbers. In this problem, however, to reach a minimum of 5, a, b, c, d and e must have a numerical value of 1. In algebra, if a number is the same, the pronumeral is the same as well. Therefore, this solution is invalid and the problem needs to be rewritten to account for this.

Ataul Karim Siyam
Jun 23, 2015

here a,b,c,d,e are all positive real number in other word (a,b,,c,d,e)>0. in order to ; a x b x c x d x e=1 the value of a,b,c,d & e will be 1 and therefore a+b+c+d+e=1+1+1+1+1=5

Nashmi N .Sulthan
Jun 22, 2015

AM>/=GM (a+b+c+d+e)/5 >/=(abcde)^(1/5)=1 so, a+b+c+d+e>/=1

Vicente Diniz
Jun 21, 2015

a x b x c x d x e = 1, if a=1, b= 1, c=1, d= -1 and e=-1, so: 1 x 1 x 1 x (-1) x (-1)= 1! a + b + c + d + e = 1 + 1 +.1 + (-1) + (-1) = 3 + (-2) = 1 Why 1 is an wrong answer?

ya perfect.. even i have the same doubt

Rohan Ashlesh - 5 years, 9 months ago
Vishal Yadav
Jun 21, 2015

Why is it AM >= GM ???

Look at a x b x c x d x e=1, meaning all of them equals 1, so when you add a + b+ c + d + e the answer is obviously 5. simple as that .

Valeria Tiourina
Jun 13, 2015

It never said that the numbers had to be distinctively different. It did say, however, that they had to be positive and real.. meaning no fractions (so you cant multiply by 3 and then 1/3, etc) The only option remains for each of the variables to be equal to 1. 1+1+1+1+1=5.

positive reals have an infinite number of fractions.

Dennis Smith - 5 years, 12 months ago

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