Not As Easy As Adding

Algebra Level 5

Suppose that a , b , c , d a, b, c, d are positive real numbers such that

a b 1000 , a c 1000 , b d 1000 , c d 500. ab \leq 1000, ~~ac \leq 1000, ~~bd \leq 1000, ~~cd \leq 500.

What is the maximum possible value of a b + a c + b d + c d ab+ac+bd+cd ?


The answer is 3000.

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6 solutions

Jared Low
Jan 2, 2015

Motivation : Ironically, I had my motivation to this problem when I was convinced there was no elementary method to solving this (see: something that didn't use something particularly complex like Lagrange Multipliers).

The situation arose when I posed this question to my father, who when taking an interest in this problem, did the usual amateur mistake of thinking the maximum possible value of a b + a c + b d + c d ab+ac+bd+cd to be the sum of the maximum limits, to which I replied this to be impossible as we'd have a b c d = 1000 500 = a c b d = 100 0 2 ab*cd=1000*500=ac*bd=1000^2 .

It is at this point I realised that by possibly considering the product a b c d abcd , I might be able to solve this problem.

Method : We first consider the following lemma:

Lemma : Given positive real numbers a , b a,b such that their product is a b = k ab=k , and with constraints a m , b n a\leq m, b\leq n with k m n k \leq mn and m , n k m,n\leq k , the maximum possible value of a + b a+b is max ( m , n ) + k max ( m , n ) \max(m,n)+\frac{k}{\max(m,n)} .

Proof : Consider positive real numbers p , q , r , s , t p,q,r,s,t where p < q < r < s < t p<q<r<s<t and p t = q s = r 2 = y pt=qs=r^2=y . We have 2 r < q + s < p + t 2r<q+s<p+t or equivalently r + y r < s + y s < t + y t r+\frac{y}{r}<s+\frac{y}{s}<t+\frac{y}{t} , with the latter inequality easy to prove. (Hint: consider only two sides in this inequality at a time, rearrange all the fraction-like terms on one side and the remaining terms on the other.)

We note with our constants above, we can apply analogous logic to out lemma, that we increase the value of a + b a+b by increasing the value of a b |a-b| within the given conditions. In the stated conditions of the lemma, this is achieved when max ( a , b ) \max(a,b) is at its highest, or within the conditions when we have either a , b = max ( m , n ) a,b=\max(m,n)

Now in our problem, assume the product a b c d = k abcd=k . With max ( a b ) = 1000 \max(ab)=1000 , max ( c d ) = 500 \max(cd)=500 , max ( a c ) = 1000 \max(ac)=1000 , max ( b d ) = 1000 \max(bd)=1000 , applying our lemma, our desired maximum value is achieved with:

max ( 1000 , 500 ) + k max ( 1000 , 500 ) + max ( 1000 , 1000 ) + k max ( 1000 , 1000 ) \max(1000,500)+\frac{k}{\max(1000,500)}+\max(1000,1000)+\frac{k}{\max(1000,1000)}

= 2000 + 2 k 1000 =2000+2*\frac{k}{1000}

We know that k 500 1000 k \leq 500*1000 , so our maximum desired value occurs when k = 500 1000 k=500*1000 and our desired value becomes:

2000 + 2 500 1000 1000 = 2000 + 1000 = 3000 2000+2*\frac{500*1000}{1000}=2000+1000=\boxed{3000}

Note: as an explicit example, one possible case of this maximum can be achieved when a b = 1000 , c d = 500 , a c = 500 , b d = 1000 ab=1000,cd=500,ac=500,bd=1000 . We can then fix a , b , c , d a,b,c,d to be any positive real numbers satisfying these equations. (such as, say ( a , b , c , d ) = ( 2 , 500 , 250 , 2 ) (a,b,c,d)=(2,500,250,2) )

Love the story about how your dad took an interest to this problem.

Great! That was very similar to how I set it up. The idea behind it is the conditions x m , y n , x y k < m n x \leq m, y \leq n, xy \leq k < mn result in the region that is a m × n m \times n rectangle, with a cutout of the x y = k xy= k hyperbola. Then, to find the maximum of x + y x+y , think of lines of the form x + y = z x+y = z moving across the screen, and it is clear that the maximum occurs at one of those corner points (possibly both).

Now, this is very obvious, and how can we muddle things up? Well, throw in another pair of variables into the mix!

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 5 months ago

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One misunderstanding that I've noticed throughout some of the solutions here, is the rationale that b , c b,c should be equal due to their similar products having the same limits. As shown in my explicit solution above (and other examples you've provided), this is not a case, and there is an assumption on there being symmetry between terms due to the same constraints involved.

Another note I could have appended in my solution; we can generalise this for different constraints on a b , a c , b d , c d ab,ac,bd,cd , even with something like all of them being different. (Like say, the conditions now being a b 12 , a c 5 , b d 13 , c d 6 ab\leq12,ac\leq5,bd\leq13,cd\leq6 ). We just consider the product a b c d abcd and by considering the maximum values of constraints considered proceed from there. In my conditions given we see that:

a b + a c + b d + c d 12 + 5 + 13 + 5 13 12 = 30 + 65 12 = 35 5 12 ab+ac+bd+cd\leq12+5+13+\frac{5*13}{12}=30+\frac{65}{12}=35\frac{5}{12}

Jared Low - 6 years, 5 months ago
Calvin Lin Staff
Apr 21, 2014

(This is not a solution)

The gut response of most people is to say that the conditions imply a b + a c + b d + c d 3500 ab+ac+bd+cd \leq 3500 . However, we cannot have equality hold throughout. In particular, if a b = 1000 , a c = 1000 , b d = 1000 ab=1000, ac=1000, bd=1000 , then we must have c d = a b c d a b = 1000 cd = \frac{abcd}{ab} = 1000 , which contradicts the given fact that c d 500 cd \leq 500 .

We fact, all we know is that a b + a c + b d + c d ab+ac+bd+cd is bounded above by 3500. We do not know if that is the best possible, i.e. least upper bound.


It is easy to find a solution to a b + a c + b d + c d = 3000 ab+ac+bd+cd = 3000 , like when a = 500 , b = 2 , c = 1 , d = 500 a=500, b=2, c = 1, d = 500 , or when a = 1000 , d = 500 , b = 1 , c = 1 a = 1000, d = 500, b = 1, c = 1 . It remains to show that we always have a b + a c + b d + c d 3000 ab + ac + bd + cd \leq 3000 .

Hint: Consider cases where a 2 d , 2 d a d , d a a \geq 2d, 2d \geq a \geq d, d \geq a .


Hint: If A 1 , B 1 A \leq 1, B \leq 1 and A B 1 AB \leq 1 , what is the maximum of A + B A + B ?
If A 1 , B 1 A \leq 1, B \leq 1 and A B 0.8 AB \leq 0.8 , what is the maximum of A + B A + B ?

Hence, conclude that a c + b d 1000 + 500 ac + bd \leq 1000 + 500 .

exact answer would be 3300

shashi Negative - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Can you substantiate that claim with values of a,b,c,d?

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

In this solution i'll not talk about some particular value of a , b , c a, b, c or d d . Well, to maximize that sum we need to maximize the value of its terms. It's important to observe that we cannot decide to maximize saying a b = a c = b d = 1000 ab = ac = bd = 1000 . Why? Well, suppose a b = a c = 1000 ab = ac = 1000 . That would imply b = c b = c , so if you take some value of d d such that b d = 1000 bd = 1000 (with the purpose of maximizing), then as b = c b = c , b d = c d bd = cd , and c d 500 cd \leq 500 .

So, we can maximize a b = a c = 1000 ab = ac = 1000 , but not b d = 1000 bd = 1000 . We'll choose some d d such that c d = 500 cd = 500 and therefore b d bd will yield 500 500 too. So the maximum of a b + a c + b d + c d = 1000 + 1000 + 500 + 500 = 3000 ab + ac + bd + cd = 1000 + 1000 + 500 + 500 = \boxed{3000} .

Moderator note:

This solution is incomplete as it makes the unjustified claim that we must have a b = a c = 1000 ab = ac = 1000 .

Why must the maximum occur when a b = a c = 1000 ab = ac = 1000 ?

Note that I gave two solution sets, of which a = d = 500 , b = 2 , c = 1 a = d = 500, b = 2, c =1 contradicts your claim that we must have a b = a c = 1000 ab=ac=1000 .

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

Nice!

Adarsh Kumar - 7 years, 1 month ago

Well, now that I see this from other perspective, we must have a b = a c = 1000 ab = ac = 1000 or a b = b d = 1000 ab = bd = 1000 . We need to take some of the terms a c ac or b d bd to 500 500 because both share a variable with c d cd , which is forced to be 500 ≤500 .

Diego E. Nazario Ojeda - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Well, neither of those equations are justified (from what you have). How do you know that there are no other equality sets which may not satisfy those equations?

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Sorry that i'm not a very good english speaker, but you mean how do i know that if neither a b = a c = 1000 ab = ac = 1000 nor a b = b d = 1000 ab = bd = 1000 are present, then a b + a c + b d + c d < 3000 ab + ac + bd + cd < 3000 ? Well, it's known as justified above that it's impossible the case a b = a c = b d = 1000 ab = ac = bd = 1000 , so if I want to maximize maybe I'm supposed to try to equal at least two of the terms to 1000 1000 . If i don't, for example saying a b a c ab \neq ac , a b + a c < 2000 ab + ac < 2000 , and recall that c d 500 cd \leq 500 . there are two cases:

A) If b < c b < c , b d < 500 bd < 500 , so it will be impossible to satisfy a b + a c + b d + c d = 3000 ab + ac + bd + cd = 3000 .

B) If b > c b > c , as a > d a > d in this case we could get a b = 1000 ab = 1000 , a c < 1000 ac < 1000 , b d < a b bd < ab and c d 500 cd \leq 500 , but as a > d a > d c d < a c 500 cd < ac \leq 500 . So a b = 1000 ab = 1000 , b d < 1000 bd < 1000 and c d < a c 500 cd < ac \leq 500 clearly justifies that to get the maximum of 3000 3000 , we need a b = a c ab = ac or a b = b d ab = bd .

Maybe i should justify a > d a > d . That's because if a < d a < d , then c d > a c cd > ac ... Sorry if i didn't explained myself very well...

Diego E. Nazario Ojeda - 7 years, 1 month ago

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@Diego E. Nazario Ojeda Yes, you are now closer towards the solution. There is slight case analysis involved, in part because there are 2 'strange' equality sets.

Note that it is possible for a < d a < d , and still satisfy the initial conditions of the question. For example, if a = b = c = d = 1 a = b = c = d = 1 . Of course, this doesn't give us the maximum possible sum.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

Lets write the expression

a b 1000 , a c 1000 , b d 1000 , c d 500 ab \le 1000, ac \le 1000, bd \le 1000, cd \le 500

if generally, c d 1000 cd \le 1000 we could have simply concluded a = b = c = d a=b=c=d , but because it isn't, we can easily see that there is one value which is different from rest and it should either be c or d

Moreover, if the rest of the values are equal then either of c or d is 1 2 \frac{1}{2} of a or b

Let d = a 2 d = \frac{a}{2} and a = b = c a=b=c

We can the write

a b + a c + b d + c d = 1000 + 1000 + 1000 1000 2 + 1000 1000 2 ab+ac+bd+cd = 1000+1000+\sqrt{1000}\frac{\sqrt{1000}}{2}+\sqrt{1000}\frac{\sqrt{1000}}{2} = 2000 + 2 1000 1000 2 = 2000 + 1000 2 = 3000 =2000+2\sqrt{1000}\frac{\sqrt{1000}}{2}=2000+\sqrt{1000}^2=3000

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The above solution assumes that a = b = c a=b=c , but in case a b c a \ne b \ne c

We can start with the following expression again

a b 1000 ab \le 1000

a c 1000 ac \le 1000

b d 1000 bd \le 1000

c d 1000 cd \le 1000

Then we can safely assume without loss of generality a b + a c + b d + c d 4000 ab+ac+bd+cd \le 4000

Let again d = d 2 d' = \frac{d}{2} , then we have

a b 1000 ab \le 1000

a c 1000 ac \le 1000

b d = b d 2 1000 2 500 bd' = \frac{bd}{2} \le \frac{1000}{2} \le 500

c d = c d 2 1000 2 500 cd' = \frac{cd}{2} \le \frac{1000}{2} \le 500

So we have a b + a c + b d + c d 1000 + 1000 + 500 + 500 = 3000 ab+ac+bd'+cd' \le 1000 + 1000 + 500 + 500 = 3000

This can be extended to any arbitrary sub-multiplier, i.e.

if d = d n d' = \frac{d}{n} , then we have

a b 1000 ab \le 1000

a c 1000 ac \le 1000

b d = b d n 1000 n bd' = \frac{bd}{n} \le \frac{1000}{n}

c d = c d n 1000 n cd' = \frac{cd}{n} \le \frac{1000}{n}

And so we have a b + a c + b d + c d 1000 + 1000 + 1000 n + 1000 n = 2000 + 2000 n ab+ac+bd'+cd' \le 1000 + 1000 + \frac{1000}{n} + \frac{1000}{n} = 2000 + \frac{2000}{n}

Note , this also proves that, the inequalities are misleading and the original inequalities should had been

a b 1000 ab \le 1000

a c 1000 ac \le 1000

b d 500 bd \le 500

c d 500 cd \le 500

Q.E.D

Please leave your comments if you feel any flaw in the proof

Moderator note:

This solution is incomplete as it makes the unjustified claim that we must have a = b = c a=b=c , or d = a 2 d = \frac{a}{2} .

Why must " either c or d is 1 2 \frac{1}{2} of a or b"??

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Calvin, I believe you intended to know why a = b = c a=b=c , because c or d is 1 2 \frac{1}{2} of a or b is a fall out of it. So I have extended the proof to remove the restriction where in a,b,c can be any arbitrary values. Looking forward for your response.

Abhijit Bhattacharjee - 7 years, 1 month ago

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It is not true that we must have a = b = c a=b=c , or d = a 2 d = \frac{a}{2} .

I gave equality solutions of a = d = 500 , b = 2 , c = 1 a=d=500, b=2, c = 1 and a = 1000 , d = 500 , b = 1 , c = 1 a = 1000, d = 500, b = 1, c = 1 , which violate both of your assumptions.

I do not understand the logic in the rest of your note . It is not true that we must have b d 500 bd \leq 500 , as evidenced by the first solution set.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

From given condition, ab+ac =a(b+c)-max=2000. . bd+cd=d(b+c)-max=1500........
Dividing the to equations, a/b=4/3. ~~So if b and c appearing in both equations are maximum possible and a = 4 so that d=3, we have b=c=250. However this makes cd=750. But cd=500. This can be possible if d=2. Since we can have d(b+c)<1500.
So max=4*(250+250)+2(250+250)=3000..
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Dividing the to equations, a/b=4/3

This claim is not true. We do not divide inequalities like that. IE 2 < 5 , 1 < 4 2 < 5, 1 < 4 is 2 1 = 5 4 \frac{2}{1} = \frac{5}{4} ?

It is reasonable to assume for S m a x S_{max} c c must be greatest.

Again, this is not true. esp since you conclude with "There are many combinations".

Calvin Lin Staff - 3 years, 2 months ago

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a/b=4/3 was from my first solution which I forgot to cancel.
Thanks. I have dropped my false argument. I hope this solution is correct.

Niranjan Khanderia - 3 years, 2 months ago
Akif Khan
May 6, 2014

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Ps: Sorry i couldn't attach the graphs as i couldn't find the option. Feel free to ask me any doubts regarding my solution. :)

Be careful with what you mean. Are you comparing the graphs y = 1000 x , y = 500 x y = \frac{1000}{x} , y = \frac{500} {x} that are drawn on the same axis? Otherwise, talking about the 4-dimensional graph, it is not true that " c d 500 cd\leq 500 is a hyperbola which is below all the rest".

Calvin Lin Staff - 3 years, 2 months ago

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