It's Not Infinity!

Calculus Level 1

2 2 2 . . . . = ? \huge \sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}^{.^{.^{.^{.}}}}}} = \, ?


The answer is 2.

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Ivan Koswara
Jan 13, 2016

A naive approach is to let the answer be x x . Then, since the exponent itself is x x , it should satisfy x = ( 2 ) x x = (\sqrt{2})^x . We can see that x = 2 x = 2 is a solution, but we also find that x = 4 x = 4 is another solution to this equation. Which one is correct? Moreover, it's even possible that the expression doesn't converge to any limit. We thus should go the hard way.

First, we need to formalize this expression. The simplest way to understand the question is to define the sequence a 1 = 2 , a n + 1 = ( 2 ) a n a_1 = \sqrt{2}, a_{n+1} = (\sqrt{2})^{a_n} for all n 1 n \ge 1 , and thus the question asks for lim n a n \lim_{n \to \infty} a_n .

First, we claim that the sequence { a n } \{a_n\} is bounded above by 2. This will then rule out the possibility that the limit is 4; it doesn't even get anywhere close. This is simple to prove by induction. a 1 = 2 < 2 a_1 = \sqrt{2} < 2 is trivial, and a n + 1 = ( 2 ) a n < ( 2 ) 2 = 2 a_{n+1} = (\sqrt{2})^{a_n} < (\sqrt{2})^2 = 2 is true (using the inductive hypothesis a n < 2 a_n < 2 ) because x ( 2 ) x x \mapsto (\sqrt{2})^x is an increasing function.

Now, we claim that the sequence { a n } \{a_n\} is strictly increasing. This is harder because there doesn't seem to be any "clean" way. Instead, to prove that a n + 1 = ( 2 ) n a > a n a_{n+1} = (\sqrt{2})^a_n > a_n , we will show that the function x ( 2 ) x x x \mapsto (\sqrt{2})^x - x is strictly positive for x < 2 x < 2 . This comes from two results:

  • It is differentiable everywhere, and its derivative is x ln 2 2 ( 2 ) x 1 x \mapsto \frac{\ln 2}{2} (\sqrt{2})^x - 1 . Since 0 < ln 2 < 1 0 < \ln 2 < 1 and ( 2 ) x 2 < 1 \frac{(\sqrt{2})^x}{2} < 1 for x < 2 x < 2 , we know that the derivative is negative for all x < 2 x < 2 .
  • At x = 2 x = 2 , we have ( 2 ) x x = 0 (\sqrt{2})^x - x = 0 .

What these tell is that for x < 2 x < 2 , because the function must decrease as it approach to 2, it must be positive in this region; if it's non-positive, it cannot decrease to reach zero at x = 2 x = 2 .

Since x ( 2 ) x x x \mapsto (\sqrt{2})^x - x is strictly positive for x < 2 x < 2 , plugging x = a n x = a_n gives that a n + 1 a n = ( 2 ) a n a n > 0 a_{n+1} - a_n = (\sqrt{2})^{a_n} - a_n > 0 , so the sequence { a n } \{a_n\} is strictly increasing.

Since the sequence is strictly increasing and bounded from above, it must converge by the monotonic sequence theorem , thus it has a limit. Only now that we can approach like in the naive way, finding that the limit is either 2 or 4. But our first result rules out 4, since we know the sequence doesn't even go above 2. So the limit must be 2 \boxed{2} .

Should be as hard as you have described although we all know that calculator or Excel shall give an answer of 2 by following proper sequence.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Yes, it must be as hard as this, because otherwise you haven't proven that the limit exists and you also haven't proven that 4 is not the answer.

Ivan Koswara - 5 years, 5 months ago

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I agree with you.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 5 months ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Jan 13, 2016

Let x = 2 2 2 . . . x=\sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}^{...}}} . Then, we have:

x = 2 2 2 . . . = 2 x = 2 x 2 log x = x 2 log 2 2 log x = x log 2 x = { 4 but 2 4 4 . . . diverges so unacceptable 2 \begin{aligned} x & =\sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}^{...}}}\\ & = \sqrt{2}^x \\ & = 2^\frac{x}{2} \\ \Rightarrow \log x & = \frac{x}{2} \log 2 \\ 2 \log x & = x \log 2 \\ \Rightarrow x & = \begin{cases} 4 & \text{but } \sqrt{2}^{4^{4^{...}}} \text{ diverges so unacceptable} \\ \boxed{2} \end{cases} \end{aligned}

2 log x = x log 2 x = 2 2 \log x = x \log 2 \implies x = \boxed{2}

This step isn't true. For example, x = 4 x = 4 is also a solution

Siddhartha Srivastava - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Starting from \sqrt2 ^\sqrt2, x = \sqrt2 ^ x cannot be 4. Quite tricky and hard to explain though. The eventual evaluation shall be 2 2 = 2 \sqrt2 ^ 2 = 2 with index of at most 2 for 2. Only if we skip an x to 4, then the consequence shall be 4 since ever. It is interesting to note that initial x of 3.99 and 4.01 for examples shall not give 4 eventually! Computing error can even make initial x of 4 to diverge away.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Thanks. I will change the answer.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 5 months ago

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@Chew-Seong Cheong Add some explanation or slight modification shall be sufficient. Generally all right!

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 5 months ago

Thanks, I will change the answer.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 5 months ago

very precise solution :-)

Atul Shivam - 5 years, 5 months ago

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But actually we should show that the quantity converges first before finding the solution.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 5 months ago

Please somebody help me understand what happened in line 3?

arifuzzaman arif - 5 years, 5 months ago

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I hope the following helps.

x = 2 2 2 . . . = 2 2 2 2 . . . = 2 x \begin{aligned} \color{#D61F06}{x} & = \color{#D61F06} { \sqrt{2}^ {\sqrt{2} ^{\sqrt{2} ^{...}}}} \\ & = \sqrt{2}^{\color{#D61F06} { \sqrt{2}^ {\sqrt{2} ^{\sqrt{2} ^{...}}}}} \\ & = \sqrt{2}^\color{#D61F06}{x} \end{aligned}

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 5 months ago

Sir, how did we conclude that the solution for 2logx=xlog2 is x=2....????

Adarsh pankaj - 5 years, 5 months ago

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2 log 2 2 log 2 2\log 2 \equiv 2 \log 2

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 5 months ago

Divergence may not be that much with 4 4 4^4 as index or otherwise it may also be other figures. Doesn't matter though.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 5 months ago

can u please explain me why u put the log?

Zohir El Moro - 5 years, 5 months ago

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I need to do that to find x x . You can use other method if you have one.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 5 months ago
Unknown Human
Jan 17, 2016

Can we simply write as following ? s q r t 2 s q r t 2 s q r t 2 = l i m n > + i n f 2 1 / 2 n sqrt{2}^{sqrt{2}^{sqrt{2}}} = lim_{n->+inf} 2^{1/2^n}

With: l i m n > + i n f 1 / 2 n = 0 lim_{n->+inf} 1/2^n =0

Then: l i m n > + i n f 2 1 / 2 n = 2 0 = 2 lim_{n->+inf} 2^{1/2^n} = 2^0=2

Mi Met
Jan 15, 2016

let x=√2^√2^√2^.... Then 2 x = x \sqrt{2}^x = x . We now raise both sides to 1 x \frac{1}{x} . Then, 2 = x 1 x \sqrt{2}= x^\frac{1}{x} or 2 1 2 = x 1 x 2^\frac{1}{2}= x^\frac{1}{x} Concequently x = 2 x=2

Fahim Faisal
Jan 17, 2016

It can be simplified as follows - 2 1 2 × 2 2^{\frac{1}{2}\times 2} It continues this way. in every level, the product is 1. so, it simplifies to - 2 1 2^{1} and so on( 1 at every power ). This is equal to 2!

Deepesh Varshney
Jan 14, 2016

let x=√2^√2^√2^..... Then, x=√2^x Taking log; log x = x log √2 or, log x = x/2 log 2 or, log x /x = log 2 /2 or, log x^1/x = log2^1/2 Taking antilog; x^1/x = 2^1/2 By comparison; x = 2.

Ganesh Ayyappan
Jan 13, 2016

i hav a more weird soln ... (i am not sure whether i did the right way though my answer is right)

as Chew-Seong Sir did below, i got

root(2)^x = x so .. root(2) = x^(1/x) taking LOGARITHM on both sides; (1/2)(log 2) = (1/x)(log x)

hence x = 2 (by observation)

AM I RIGHT???

yes! but try to use latex to make the things look better

Atul Shivam - 5 years, 5 months ago

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how do u use latex ... rather where the option wud be .... i searched and searched and left

Ganesh Ayyappan - 5 years, 5 months ago

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https://brilliant.org/discussions/thread/beginner-latex-guide/

go through this

Atul Shivam - 5 years, 5 months ago

x can still be 4 in this case if we substitute to check.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 5 months ago

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yeah ... but i still dont know y 4 is not a soln ... i still dont understand how Chew-Seong sir got that

Ganesh Ayyappan - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Hard to explain really. However, 4 can just be a skipped in answer and it is also unstable when exactness is disturbed. When we 'iterate' step by step, only 2 shall be met as answer because even before arrival to exact 4, 3.99 is approaching for 2 while 4.01 is going to diverge. Therefore, there left with no path for an iteration to arrive to 4 unless a skipped in. Consequently, 2 is the only answer. Please ignore the index of 4 4 4^4 as it was just simply written, I think.

Perhaps we may like to deduce that the expression with values of ambiguity between 2 and 4 is an expression with invalid value because of an indeterminate. I think we should keep on thinking for an exact determination while taking 2 as an obvious preference. There ought to be some theory behind to define.

All we know is an expression likes this must only map onto sole value. When we cut for an expression of finite terms, we can only evaluate the expression step by step, right? Then, we can see that only 2 shall be approached but not 4. This makes a reason for 2 as an obvious preference. I think this question is an excellent question.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 5 months ago

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