One fateful day, a car with weight 5 0 0 0 N has malfunctioned on the entry ramp to a highway. It is now sliding down the ramp, angled at 3 0 ∘ with respect to the horizontal. The coefficients (static and kinetic) of friction are 0 . 4 . Then, Superman comes and saves the day! However, he just had a fight with the bad guys so he wants to use the least amount of force as possible. First, he uses the minimum amount of force to stop the car. Then, he uses the minimum amount of force to push the car so it starts sliding slightly upward along the ramp. What is the absolute value of the difference between the two forces he uses in Newtons ?
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A force diagram helps to keep everything straight on this one.
F s t o p = F g sin θ − F F
F m o v e = F g sin θ + F F
F F = μ F N = μ F g cos θ = 0 . 4 F g cos 3 0
∣ F m o v e − F s t o p ∣ = ∣ 2 F F ∣ = ∣ 2 ∗ 0 . 4 ∗ 5 0 0 0 cos 3 0 ∣ = 3 4 6 4
On these solutions the force is assumed to be parallel to the ramp. In the original problem statement this was not mentioned explicitly, which I fixed. Someone did the problem allowing the angle to vary. Can anyone give me the ABSOLUTE minimum force required to push the car up the ramp, allowing the angle to vary?
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The absolute minimum force is calculated when superman applies force at an angle with the incline
Yeah!!! The actual answer according to me was 3 2 1 6 . 3 3 7 N ! I was completely baffled when it said that I was wrong! When I saw this question, no user had solved it and so I was quite happy that I would be the first one to solve it! According to me,the first force was
2 9 5 ∗ ( 2 5 0 0 − 1 0 0 0 ∗ 3 )
and the second force was
2 9 5 ∗ ( 2 5 0 0 + 1 0 0 0 ∗ 3 )
and thus the difference = 1 0 0 0 0 ∗ 2 9 3 = 3 2 1 6 . 3 3 7 N
I spent two days thinking over what I had done wrong when I decided to go with the obvious(but wrong!) answer,where we apply force parallel to the incline. I still don't know why 3460 is being given the correct answer.
Is my answer correct?
PS - I am sorry Jonathan C. that I posted my view on your solution, but the challenge master asked the solution here so I gave it.
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Force is applied parallel itself,its not wrong
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Well but when I saw the question, it wasn't mentioned. The line 'Assume the force is directed along the ramp' was added afterwards.
Sorry for this too late reaction but for what is 5/V29 number?
Now I'm confused why I keep getting 3464 instead of 3460, which I got the first time it it says the answer is.
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I'm pretty sure the answer is 3464. 3460 is just due to rounding.
F normal = 5 0 0 0 ⋅ cos ( 3 0 ∘ ) = 2 5 0 0 3 N ,
so the friction is
0 . 4 ⋅ 2 5 0 0 3 = 1 0 0 0 3 N .
The difference in force of stopping the car and pushing it back up is the friction: when stopping the car, the friction helps you, while when pushing the car up, the friction is working against you. So, the difference we're looking for is twice the friction, which is
2 ⋅ 1 0 0 0 3 ≈ 3 4 6 0 .
Where does the mgsinθ come in? Could you explain it further?
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Whether stopping the car or pushing the car up, you have to apply the 5 0 0 0 sin θ force. So when you subtract the stopping requirement from the pushing requirement, this cancels out.
Minimum force required to prevent car from sliding= = m g ( sin θ − μ cos θ ) = 5 0 0 0 ( 2 1 − 0 . 4 ∗ 2 3 ) = 2 5 0 0 − 1 0 0 0 3 Minimum force required to just push it up the incline= = m g ( sin θ + μ cos θ ) = 2 5 0 0 + 1 0 0 0 3 so the difference is coming out to be 2 0 0 0 3 = 3 4 6 4
mass of the car comes out to be 500 kg taking G=10..Firstly we need to calculate the force which our superman is needed to exert on the car that and for that we will have to resolve the component towards superman and that is {mg \times (\sin \theta)}
- (4/10)
{mg \times (\cos \theta)} . lets now get the force which superman must apply it comes out to be
{mg \times (\sin \theta)} + (4/10)
{mg \times (\cos \theta)}. when we subtract we get 2(4/10)*{mg \times (\cos \theta)}
putting values i get 3460.000
∑ F = m a = 0
F 1 + f − W s i n 3 0 0 = 0
F 1 = W s i n 3 0 0 − µ W c o s 3 0 0
∑ F = m a = 0
F 2 − f − W s i n 3 0 0 = 0
F 2 = W s i n 3 0 0 + µ W c o s 3 0 0
then finally we'll have:
F 2 − F 1 = 3 4 6 4 . 1 0 2 N
By using FBD we can find it initial force required will be equal to 5000 (sin30-.4 cos30) then the force required to push is 5000 (sin30+.4 cos30) thus difference will yield 3460N as the answer.
When superman stops the car, consider the free-body diagram of the car. We have 4 forces: weight of the car W , normal contact force N , friction (which acts up the slope) f = μ N , and superman's force F 1
Resolving the forces perpendicular to the slope would give us N = W cos 3 0 ∘ , therefore f = μ W cos 3 0 ∘
Resolving the forces parallel to the slope would give us F 1 = W sin 3 0 ∘ − f
Now, in the case when superman pushes the car with the force F 2 so that it starts to move upwards, the frictional force f , which still has the same magnitude, now acts down the slope. Therefore, resolving the forces parallel to the slope gives us F 2 = W sin 3 0 ∘ + f
The difference between F 1 and F 2 is thus equal to 2 f = 2 μ W cos 3 0 ∘ = 3 4 6 0 N
shouldn't N be Nsin30?
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No, N = W cos 3 0 ∘ . N acts perpendicular to the slope while W acts directly downwards. If you resolve the forces perpendicular to the slope, you will get N = W cos 3 0 ∘
I don't quite understand why you need to find the difference between F1 and F2?
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The question asks for the difference between the two forces
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Ok, I am an idiot.... Haha I did not read the question right!!!
are you serius about the diffrence?
2 f = 2 μ W c o s 3 0 ∘ = 3 4 6 0 N
2 f = 2 ∗ 0 , 4 ∗ 5 0 0 0 c o s 3 0 = 3 4 6 4 N
how did you say 3460 ?
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Haha yeah it should be 3464. I followed Brilliant's solution, which says 3460. I think they round it down to 3 significant figures
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We know the following to be true with respect to the block:
F g ∥ = m g sin θ and F g ⊥ = m g cos θ
With some simply geometry, we find that the inclination of the ramp to the vertical is equal to the angle that the force of gravity makes with the normal force.
We find that F ⊥ = m g cos ( 3 0 ) = 5 0 0 0 cos ( 3 0 ) = 4 3 3 0 N e w t o n s
Knowing that F f = F ⊥ × μ = 4 3 3 0 × 0 . 4 = 1 7 3 2 N e w t o n s
Now, it seems tempting to find F g ∥ but it is not actually needed.
Notice:
The Force Needed to Stop the Car _ = F g ∥ − F f because friction helps stop the car.
_ The Force Needed to Move the Car = F g ∥ + F f because friction stops the car from moving upwards.
The question asks for the difference, and after subtracting these two equations we find that the answer is:
2 × F f = 2 × 1 7 3 2 = 3 4 6 4 N e w t o n s .