The caber toss is a traditional Scottish sport that involves hurling a caber, which is essentially a large piece of a tree: a caber is a 6 m long, 8 0 kg tree trunk. Large strong people hurl these and the goal is to get the caber to land as far away as possible and rotate in the air, so what was the highest part of the trunk initially is actually the part that hits the gound first. See this clip to understand how the caber rotates.
It's HARD to do this. To see how hard, consider a perfectly vertical caber with one end on the ground. You then launch the caber vertically with some speed v 0 and give it a rotation. What is the minimum kinetic energy in Joules you need to give the caber so that when it lands the caber is perfectly vertical again, but the OTHER end of the caber hits the ground?
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I could not think of all these details. How did you do this?
Can you please tell me which part you are talking about? Note that once we get the expression for K . E , we can also minimize it by differentiating w.r.t ω , but that would make the calculations more tedious.
Firstly, I could not translate the problem into mathematical language precisely because I was thinking in terms of pure rotation. And even if I had included translation, I don't think I would have been able to find v by argument that net displacement is 0 . I simply want to know your thinking process and not the details of the solution.
@Snehal Shekatkar – The clip posted in the question might explain the process of caber tossing. You can deduce by pure intuition that the translational velocity must be related to the rotational velocity, as the caber must reach the hands of the man exactly when it rotates by an angle of π c . The process of finding their relation is simple: first find the time taken for the caber to fall back into the hands of the man (which is dependent on the linear velocity), then find the time taken for the caber to rotate π c (which depends on the rotational velocity), and then equating them should express v as a function of ω (that's what I tried to do first, but the method I posted made it shorter).
@Sreejato Bhattacharya – Nice! Thank you..
Great solution! I don't see it yet though. How did you go from the AM-GM inequality to expressing K.E. as only a function of only m and l? And, why did you then go on? I did not understand how you got the expression of ω too, but when I plugged the values into the earlier equation it also gave 2133 J as an answer!
The kinetic energy is obviously a function of ω . The variable here is ω , and we have to minimize K . E with respect to it, so the expression for the minimum value of K . E obviously cannot have the term ω . Note that the standard approach here is to find d ω d K . E , and setting it to 0 , but AM-GM provides a simpler and shorter solution. Once we have applied AM-GM inequality to find out its minimum value, it is always advisable to see that equality can occur. In this case, equality occurs if and only if the terms on which AM-GM was applied are equal. Equating them, I found the value for ω which minimizes K . E .
I now see how you got to your answer. But why did you not make your method chronological? You first stated AM-GM, then the final conclusion of what K.E. must be, then went back to actually showing how you got to that K.E. without notice.
@Ralph Schraven – I apologize if my solution is not in order: I am not very good at it. However, I first used AM-GM to determine the minimum value of K . E , and then investigated when equality would occur. Otherwise, it wouldn't seem very nice to state that "equality holds for this value of ω , and plugging it we get K . E = something ", would it? :)
@Sreejato Bhattacharya – Now I see how you got the values! Thanks! So if I understand correctly, you stated the value of ω just to be clear? I mean, it has no further relevance to this particular problem, right?
@Ralph Schraven – Yes, we are only concerned about the minimum possible value of K . E , which I determined by AM-GM inequality. However, whenever we get a bound, it is always advisable to investigate whether equality can occur, otherwise a tighter bound might exist. That's what I did by showing that there is indeed a positive value of ω for which the minimum value of K . E is attained.
The movement executed by the caber will be a combination of a vertical launch (center of mass translation) and rotational movement around its own center of mass on a fixed plane. Thus, the tosser will give the caber both translational and rotational kinetic energy:
K = K T + K R = 2 M v 0 2 + 2 I ω 2
Since the toss is vertically launched, the total time between the launch and landing is:
t = g 2 v 0
During that time, the minimum angular displacement of the caber is 180 degrees (it could be 180° plus a multiple of 360°), as long as the other end of the caber must hit the ground. Since the only force acting on the rod is its own weight (and gravity is a central force), there are no external torques acting on the caber. Thus, its angular speed will be constant and equal to:
ω = t π = 2 v 0 π g
So the total kinetic energy of the caber is:
K = 2 M v 0 2 + 2 I ω 2 = 2 M v 0 2 + 8 v 0 2 I π 2 g 2
The best lower bound for K can be found using the AM-GM inequality (both terms are positive):
2 M v 0 2 + 8 v 0 2 I π 2 g 2 ≥ 2 2 M v 0 2 8 v 0 2 I π 2 g 2 = 2 π g M I
Since the caber can be modeled as an uniform rod, I = 1 2 M L 2 . Plugging that into the kinetic energy expression:
K ≥ 4 3 π M g L , for all possible values of v 0 .
Therefore, the minimum kinetic energy that must be given to the caber is
K m i n = 4 3 π M g L = 4 3 π × 8 0 × 9 . 8 × 6 = 2 1 3 3 . 0 3 J
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Let ℓ and m be the length and mass of the cabre respectively.
The cabre when shot vertically takes time t = g 2 v 0 to reach back to the ground. In this time, the cabre must rotate by an angle of ( 2 n + 1 ) π where n = 0 , 1 , 2 . . . so that the other end touches the ground. As we need the minimum kinetic energy, we set n = 0 . The time taken by the cabre to rotate an angle of π is ω π , where ω is the angular velocity of the cabre. We can find the angular velocity by comparing the two expressions we have obtained for time, i.e.
g 2 v 0 = ω π ⇒ ω = 2 v 0 π g
The expression for the initial kinetic energy of the cabre is, K = 2 1 m v 0 2 + 2 1 I ω 2
where I is the moment of inertia of the cabre.
K = 2 1 m v 0 2 + 2 1 ⋅ 1 2 m ℓ 2 ⋅ 4 v 0 2 π 2 g 2
⇒ K = 2 1 m ( v 0 2 + 4 8 v 0 2 π 2 g 2 ℓ 2 )
To find the minimum kinetic energy, differentiate the expression with respect v 0 and set the derivative equal to zero.
d v 0 d K = 2 1 m ( 2 v 0 − 2 4 v 0 3 π 2 g 2 ℓ 2 ) = 0
⇒ v 0 4 = 4 8 π 2 g 2 ℓ 2 ⇒ v 0 2 = 4 8 π g ℓ
The expression for kinetic energy can be rewritten as
⇒ K = 2 1 m ( 4 8 v 0 2 4 8 v 0 4 + π 2 g 2 ℓ 2 )
Substituting the values of v 0 4 and v 0 2 ,
K m i n = 2 1 m ⎝ ⎜ ⎜ ⎜ ⎛ 4 8 4 8 π g ℓ π 2 g 2 ℓ 2 + π 2 g 2 ℓ 2 ⎠ ⎟ ⎟ ⎟ ⎞
K m i n = 2 1 m ⋅ 4 8 π g ℓ 2 π 2 g 2 ℓ 2
Substituting the values of m , g and ℓ , K m i n = 2 1 3 3 . 0 3 J
Despite the rotation of the caber, its center of mass will move as a vertical projectile. We can find its time of flight using kinematics and analyzing the apex of flight: v f = v 0 + a t 1 t 1 = a v f − v 0 = − g 0 − v 0 = g v 0 Now t = 2 t 1 = g 2 v 0 , since the time taken to reach the apex is half the total time of flight. In order for the caber to rotate a full 180 degrees ( π radians), its angular velocity must be ω = t Δ θ = g 2 v 0 π = 2 v 0 π g . We can express the total kinetic energy given to the caber in terms of linear and rotational components: Σ K E = K E l i n e a r + K E r o t = 2 1 m v 0 2 + 2 1 I ( 2 v 0 π g ) 2 Since the caber can be modeled as a uniform rod rotating about its center, I = 1 2 1 m L 2 . Substituting into the KE expression: K E = 2 1 m v 0 2 + 2 1 ( 1 2 1 m L 2 ) ( 4 v 0 2 π 2 g 2 ) = 2 1 m v 0 2 + 9 6 v 0 2 π 2 L 2 g 2 m Let this be a function of v 0 ; we now have to find the minimum value of K E ( v 0 ) . We can do this by finding the zero of the derivative: d v 0 d K E = m v 0 − 4 8 v 0 3 π 2 L 2 g 2 m = 0 Dividing by m v 0 : 1 − 4 8 v 0 4 π 2 L 2 g 2 = 0 4 8 v 0 4 π 2 L 2 g 2 = 1 v 0 = 4 4 8 π 2 L 2 g 2 = 4 4 8 π 2 ( 6 ) 2 ( 9 . 8 ) 2 ≈ 5 . 1 6 3 6 m / s We now plug in to find the minimum kinetic energy: K E m i n = 2 1 ( 8 0 ) ( 5 . 1 6 3 6 ) 2 + 9 6 ( 5 . 1 6 3 6 ) 2 π 2 ( 6 ) 2 ( 9 . 8 ) 2 ( 8 0 ) ≈ 2 1 3 3 J
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Let the mass of the caber be m . Let the linear velocity of the caber be v , and let the rotational velocity be ω . If I is the rotational inertia of the caber, the kinetic energy will be: K . E = 2 1 m v 2 + 2 1 I ω 2 Let the length of the caber be l . Modelling the caber as a thin rod, the moment of inertia of the caber will then be 1 2 m l 2 (see this page for the list of moments of inertia). We have to minimize the kinetic energy, i.e we have to minimize K . E = 2 1 m v 2 + 2 4 m l 2 ω 2 .....(i) Let the total time taken for the caber toss be t , so after t seconds the caber rotates π . We then have: t = ω π
Note that after t seconds the net vertical displacement of the caber is zero, so: v t + 2 1 g t 2 = 0 ⟹ v + 2 1 g t = 0 ⟹ v = 2 − g t Plugging in the expression for t ,we obtain: v = − 2 ω g π Plugging this value in ( i ) , we obtain: K . E = 2 1 m ( 2 ω g π ) 2 + 2 4 m l 2 ω 2 We wish to minimize K . E . Applying AM-GM inequality, we obtain: 2 1 m ( 2 ω g π ) 2 + 2 4 m l 2 ω 2 ≥ 2 2 1 m ( 2 ω g π ) 2 × 2 4 m l 2 ω 2 ⟹ K . E ≥ 4 3 π m l g Equality holds iff 2 1 m ( 2 ω g π ) 2 = 2 4 m l 2 ω 2 ⟹ ω = 2 3 g π Plugging the provided values in the expression for minimum value of K . E , we obtain K . E ≈ 2 1 3 3 J .