Triangle Tangled

Geometry Level 2

Three triangles of equal perimeters are put together to form a bigger triangle of side lengths 13, 14, and 15.

What is the ratio of the areas of the three triangles?

2 : 4 : 5 2:4:5 3 : 6 : 7 3:6:7 4 : 7 : 9 4:7:9 5 : 11 : 12 5:11:12

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2 solutions

Chew-Seong Cheong
Oct 25, 2018

By Heron's formula, the area of the bigger triangle is A = 21 ( 21 13 ) ( 21 14 ) ( 21 15 ) = 84 A = \sqrt{21(21-13)(21-14)(21-15)} = 84 . Let the unknown sides of the three smaller triangles be a a , b b , and c c as shown in the figure, and the common perimeter be 2 s 2s . Then we have:

{ a + b + 13 = 2 s . . . ( 1 ) b + c + 14 = 2 s . . . ( 2 ) c + a + 15 = 2 s . . . ( 3 ) { ( 1 ) ( 2 ) : c = a 1 ( 2 ) ( 3 ) : b = a + 1 ( 1 ) ( 2 ) + ( 3 ) 2 : s = a + 7 \begin{cases} a+b+13 = 2s & ...(1) \\ b+c+14 = 2s & ...(2) \\ c+a+15 = 2s & ...(3) \end{cases} \implies \begin{cases} (1) - (2): & c = a - 1 \\ (2) - (3): & b = a+ 1 \\ \frac {(1)-(2)+(3)}2: & s = a + 7 \end{cases}

Applying Heron's formula to the three smaller triangle:

{ A 1 = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s 13 ) = 42 ( a + 7 ) ( a 6 ) A 2 = s ( s b ) ( s c ) ( s 14 ) = 48 ( a + 7 ) ( a 7 ) A 3 = s ( s c ) ( s a ) ( s 15 ) = 56 ( a + 7 ) ( a 8 ) \begin{cases} A_1 = \sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-13)} = \sqrt{42(a+7)(a-6)} \\ A_2 = \sqrt{s(s-b)(s-c)(s-14)} = \sqrt{48(a+7)(a-7)} \\ A_3 = \sqrt{s(s-c)(s-a)(s-15)} = \sqrt{56(a+7)(a-8)} \end{cases}

Then we have A 1 + A 2 + A 3 = 42 ( a + 7 ) ( a 6 ) + 48 ( a + 7 ) ( a 7 ) + 56 ( a + 7 ) ( a 8 ) = 84 A_1+A_2+A_3 = \sqrt{42(a+7)(a-6)} + \sqrt{48(a+7)(a-7)} + \sqrt{56(a+7)(a-8)} = 84 . Solving for a a (I did it using numerical method), we have a = 91 11 a= \frac {91}{11} . Then,

{ A 1 = 42 ( 168 ) ( 25 ) 11 = 420 11 A 2 = 48 ( 168 ) ( 14 ) 11 = 336 11 A 3 = 56 ( 168 ) ( 3 ) 11 = 168 11 A 3 : A 2 : A 1 = 2 : 4 : 5 \begin{cases} A_1 = \dfrac {\sqrt{42(168)(25)}}{11} = \dfrac {420}{11} \\ A_2 = \dfrac {\sqrt{48(168)(14)}}{11} = \dfrac {336}{11} \\ A_3 = \dfrac {\sqrt{56(168)(3)}}{11} = \dfrac {168}{11} \end{cases} \implies A_3 : A_2 : A_1 = \boxed{2:4:5}

Try this: Triangle Tangled II

Digvijay Singh - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Was looking at it. Can't solve it yet.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 7 months ago

The common vertex of the three triangles is also known as the Isoperimetric Point for the bigger triangle.

Digvijay Singh - 2 years, 7 months ago

It seems remarkable that the side-lengths of the coloured triangles (a,b,c above) and their areas are all rational. I also resorted to numerical methods, but does anyone have an analytical approach that explains this?

Chris Lewis - 2 years, 7 months ago

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I suppose the equations used above are analytical. If you want you can try to solve the equations algebraically. I just find it tedious.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 7 months ago

Here's a complete analysis of Isoperimetric points . You can read the article for free online.

Digvijay Singh - 2 years, 7 months ago

The important point is that the lhs is an increasing function of a, so it is an injection, which means there can be at most one solution. That in turn means that you can arrive at it however you want, even guess, verify and you know it's the only solution.

Vedran Čačić - 2 years, 7 months ago

Could you explain how you solve the equation about a in detail?

Yuanhui Zhu - 2 years, 7 months ago

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I used an Excel spreadsheet as a calculator to estimate the value of a a .

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Same here. And I clicked on your reply hoping for a neater solution. My spreadsheet method was to keep adjusting 'a' until I got an area as close to 84 as possible. I got as far as a = 8.27273 before I decided that was close enough. I'm curious as to how a spreadsheet would be able to home in on the precise answer of 91/11.

Paul Cockburn - 2 years, 7 months ago

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@Paul Cockburn I use the same method to estimate the value. From the decimal result, I guessed that the denominator is 11 as 1 11 0.090909091 \dfrac 1{11} \approx 0.090909091 . You can multiply 8.27273 with a series of odd numbers.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 7 months ago

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@Chew-Seong Cheong My mind is set at rest. Thanks.

Paul Cockburn - 2 years, 7 months ago

I use Wolfram part 1 for solution for triangles (15,a-1,a-2),(14,a,a-2),(13,a-1,a).

Wolfram part 2

Yuriy Kazakov - 2 years, 7 months ago

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love u so much XD

Mạnh Đặng - 2 years, 7 months ago

It's clear, but I don't know how to solve A1+ A2+ A3= 84 :( sb help me

Mạnh Đặng - 2 years, 7 months ago

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I used an Excel spreadsheet to estimate the value of a a .

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 7 months ago

One analytical way: square both sides. Move all terms inside a radical to one side, all other terms to the other.

Repeat 2 more times until there are no radicals left.

Solve the scary big polynomial.

You may have a bunch of extraneous solutions.

Jeremy Galvagni - 2 years, 7 months ago

well, this question is really tough.

cola cola - 2 years, 7 months ago
Robert Nelder
Nov 1, 2018

Take origin of coordinates at the point where the sides 13 and 14 meet, and put the x-axis along the 14 side. Let the point where the three triangles meet be P(x,y). Use the cosine rule to show that the cosine of the angle at the origin is 5/13. Hence the coordinates of the vertices of the big triangle are O(0,0), B(14,0), and C(5,12).

Use the equal perimeters fact to show that if PB = d, then PC= d + 1, and PO = d + 2.

Then for OP, x 2 + y 2 = ( d + 2 ) 2 x^{2}+y^{2} = (d+2)^{2}

For BP, ( x 14 ) 2 + y 2 = d 2 (x-14)^{2}+ y^{2} = d^{2}

And for CP, ( x 5 ) 2 + ( y 12 ) 2 = ( d + 1 ) 2 (x-5)^{2} + (y-12)^{2} = (d+1)^{2}

The first pair of equations gives d = 7 x 50 d = 7x - 50 , And the second pair gives y = x / 6 + 3 y = x/6+ 3 .

Substituting these results into the first equation gives a quadratic in x, and we find that P is the point (90/11, 48/11).

The areas of the two triangles with vertex at O are then found from ( x 1 y 2 x 2 y 1 ) / 2 (x_{1} y_{2} - x_{2} y_{1})/2 . The big triangle OBC has base 14 and perpendicular height 12, and area 84. The three small triangle areas then prove to be 168, 336, and 420, each divided by 11, giving the ratio 2:4:5.

1727 x 2 24228 x + 82620 = 0 1727x^2-24228x+82620=0 it is not the easiest quadratic equation to solve :D

Anyway, good solution and fortunately there is Wolframalpha.

P S - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Can actually solve by a normal calculator, since discriminant = 4032^2 just nice a square number

Le Anh - 2 years, 6 months ago

I don't know, how to solve A1+A2+A3=84

Ashok Jamwadikar - 9 months ago

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