Triangles in a circle

8 points are equally spaced around the boundary of a circle and all chords are drawn between them. How many different triangles can be seen in the resulting figure?

Details and assumptions

A triangle can be seen in the figure if all 3 sides are segments of the drawn chords.

Two triangles are different if they have different vertices.


The answer is 632.

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2 solutions

Jimmy Kariznov
Aug 12, 2013

We break this into cases based on the number of vertices on the circle. Since Brilliant doesn't yet support Asymptote or another geometry diagram drawing program, try to draw pictures as you read this solution.

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Case 3: Δ A B C \Delta ABC has three vertices on the circle.

There are ( 8 3 ) = 56 \binom{8}{3} = 56 ways to choose 3 3 points A , B , C A,B,C on the circle, and each choice yields exactly 1 1 triangle Δ A B C \Delta ABC . Thus, there are 56 56 triangles in this case.

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Case 2: Δ A B C \Delta ABC has two vertices on the circle.

Let A , B A,B be on the circle and C C be inside the circle. Extend A C AC and B C BC to meet the circle at D D and E E respectively. Connecting all the chords between A , B , D , E A,B,D,E yields 4 4 triangles with two vertices on the circle. There are ( 8 4 ) = 70 \binom{8}{4} = 70 ways to choose 4 4 vertices A , B , D , E A,B,D,E on the circle, and each choice yields 4 4 triangles with two vertices on the circle. Thus, there are 70 4 = 280 70 \cdot 4 = 280 triangles in this case.

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Case 1: Δ A B C \Delta ABC has one vertex on the circle.

Let A A be on the circle and B , C B,C be inside the circle. Extend A B AB and A C AC to meet the circle at D D and E E . Extend B C BC to meet the circle at F F and G G . Connecting all the chords between A , D , E , F , G A,D,E,F,G yields 5 5 triangles with one vertex on the circle. There are ( 8 5 ) = 56 \binom{8}{5} = 56 ways to choose 5 5 vertices A , D , E , F , G A,D,E,F,G on the circle, and each choice yields 5 5 triangles with two vertices on the circle. Thus, there are 56 5 = 280 56 \cdot 5 = 280 triangles in this case.

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Case 0: Δ A B C \Delta ABC has no vertices on the circle.

Let A , B , C A,B,C be inside the circle. Extend A B AB to meet the circle at D D and E E . Extend B C BC to meet the circle at F F and G G . Extend A C AC to meet the circle at H H and I I . Connecting all the chords between D , E , F , G , H , I D,E,F,G,H,I yields 1 1 triangle with all vertices inside the circle. There are ( 8 6 ) = 28 \binom{8}{6} = 28 ways to choose 6 6 vertices D , E , F , G , H , I D,E,F,G,H,I on the circle. Most of these yield 1 1 triangle with all vertices inside the circle. However, there are 4 4 ways in which D E DE , F G FG , H I HI are concurrent at the center of the circle, and 8 8 ways in which D E DE , F G FG , H I HI are concurrent, but not at the center of the circle. Each of these yields a degenerate point triangle. Thus, there are 28 4 8 = 16 28-4-8 = 16 triangles in this case.

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Because each triangle must have between 0 0 and 3 3 vertices (inclusive) on the circle, these cases are both mutually exclusive and exhaustive. Thus, the total number of triangles is 56 + 280 + 280 + 16 = 632 56+280+280+16 = \boxed{632} .

Moderator note:

Can you use the ideas here to come up with a general formula in terms of n ? n? What special considerations are there that depend on n ? n?

This problem was almost identical to a previous problem (tell me if the link works for everyone), but case 0 was different due to degenerate triangles. I think maybe another number of points should have been chosen so that more is different :)

Daniel Chiu - 7 years, 10 months ago

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Let n n be the number of equally spaced out points on the circle.

For n 9 n \ge 9 , we have ( n 3 ) + 4 ( n 4 ) + 5 ( n 5 ) 1218 \dbinom{n}{3} + 4\dbinom{n}{4} + 5\dbinom{n}{5} \ge 1218 .

So we would have more than 1000 1000 triangles even before including triangles strictly inside the circle. Since Brilliant answers must be integers between 000 and 999 inclusive, this won't work.

For n = 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 n = 3, 4, 5, 6 points on the circle, there are no "Case 0" triangles.

Hence, the only other value of n n Brilliant could have used without making the answer too large or the problem too easy is n = 7 n = 7 .

Jimmy Kariznov - 7 years, 10 months ago

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Well, of course the "last three digits" could be used.

Daniel Chiu - 7 years, 10 months ago

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@Daniel Chiu This isn't number theory, with its super complicated modulo stuff. :) I'd prefer the first, third and sixth digits, as this problem is about triangles.

Tim Vermeulen - 7 years, 10 months ago

The link doesn't work for me :(

Michael Tang - 7 years, 10 months ago

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Okay how about this ?

Daniel Chiu - 7 years, 10 months ago

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@Daniel Chiu That one works! :)

Tim Vermeulen - 7 years, 10 months ago

@Challenge Master note:

We still have ( n 3 ) + 4 ( n 4 ) + 5 ( n 5 ) \dbinom{n}{3}+4\dbinom{n}{4}+5\dbinom{n}{5} total triangles in cases 0,1,2.

Case 3 will always yield somewhere between 0 0 and ( n 6 ) \dbinom{n}{6} triangles depending on how many points are there at which 3 or more chords intersect. Of course, for large n n , this term is dominant, which makes getting nice asymptotic bounds on the number of triangles difficult.

Jimmy Kariznov - 7 years, 10 months ago

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When can we have 3 of the chords intersecting? In the above proof, we have 4 times where we have 3 diameters and 8 times where we have 1 diameter and 2 other chords. If we have 3 of the chords intersecting, is one always a diameter? If so, how many ways can that occur? If not, under what other circumstances can we have 3 of the chords intersecting?

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 10 months ago
Mark Hennings
Aug 13, 2013

This is very similar to a problem of a few weeks back, when we had eight points on the circle, and we needed to know the maximum possible number of triangles that could be seen. The answer was 8 C 3 + 4 × 8 C 4 + 5 × 8 C 5 + 8 C 6 = 644 {}^8C_3 + 4\times{}^8C_4 + 5\times{}^8C_5 + {}^8C_6 \;=\; 644 where the sum has been broken down into the number (between 3 3 and 6 6 ) of vertices on the circle that used to define the lines which form each triangle.

The only difference in this case is that some of these 644 644 triangles do not exist, since the triangles that exist in the general case do not exist in this more symmetric case.

The only triangles that disappear are those which (in the general case) are formed by three interior vertices (so that we use 6 6 circumference vertices to define them). In the symmetric case, some of these triangles "collapse to a point" since the three vertices are all the same. This can only happen at vertices inside the circle where three or more chords meet. There are only 9 9 such points: the centre (where 4 4 diameters meet) and another 8 8 points where three chords meet. Thus there are 4 4 choices of three chords which all meet at the centre, and one choice of three chords which meet at a point for each of the other 8 8 points. Thus a total of 12 12 of the 8 C 6 = 28 {}^8C_6=28 possible cohoices of triangles formed by 3 3 internal vertices (and hence defined by 6 6 circumference vertices) do not exist in the symmetric case. Thus there is a total of 644 12 = 632 644-12=632 triangles altogether.

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