Triangles On A Sphere: More Complicated Than You Might Think

Geometry Level 2

This famous self-portrait by M. C. Escher shows most of a room distorted by reflection in a spherical mirror and raises questions about the nature of shapes on a sphere.

What is the sum of the interior angles of a triangle constructed on the surface of a sphere?

Less than 18 0 180^\circ Greater than 18 0 180^\circ Exactly 36 0 360^\circ Exactly 18 0 180^\circ

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Finn Hulse
Feb 4, 2014

If any of you have read Steven Hawkings' "The Grand Design", you might have seen the bit about how the straightest distance from A to B on a sphere is actually curved when you draw it on a map. Think about it. The actual straightest distance would have to go through the sphere! But anyways, all of the rules of a triangle that apply to regular triangles don't work because the lines are curved! It's not even a triangle, or even a polygon! It has 3 vertices, but the rest of the lines curve, which makes laws that apply to triangles completely null. The sum of the angles of a triangle on the surface of a sphere must add up to anything greater than 180. Nothing with three vertices can go below 180 degrees then it wouldn't be connected at at least one vertice. Here's an example of a triangle that adds up to something larger than 180. Say Earth is a perfect sphere. Say that China and Mexico are on exactly opposite sides of the earth, and both lie on the equator.. Let those be two of the points and the other point be at the North Pole. The vertice at the North Pole is already 180! Adding the other ones gets roughly 270 degrees. Pretty cool, huh?

but if triange is drawn on a concave surface then the sum of all interior angles will be less than 180.

Mustafa Kasarawala - 7 years, 4 months ago

Yes. This could prove to be another approach to the answer; the sphere is just the opposite of a concave surface, it's convex. Thus as in a concave surface sum of interior angles is <180, on a sphere it would be >180. It could not be equal to 180 as that is the case for 2-D figures.

Arjun Bahuguna - 7 years, 4 months ago

And if it's on a cylinder, the sum of the angles will be exactly 180. Pretty cool!!

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 3 months ago

The curve surface of cylinder can form a rectangle; hence, the triangle drawn on it is like what we can see on a paper.

Tan Chee Wen - 6 years, 5 months ago

its a convex surface. you will be right for concave surfaces, i guess.

Ayush Porwal - 7 years, 2 months ago

oh no my dear when ever there is a triangle the interior angles are 180

shahab uddin - 7 years, 3 months ago

"Nothing with three vertices can go below 180 degrees then it wouldn't be connected at at least one vertice." Triangles in Hyperbolic Geometry have an angle sum of less than 180. https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjoZo1IX0gVbWeZ1HmcZc1eYRXAvSY0QOHi7qiBlFUeP9VARlSBw

Ilai Reshef - 7 years, 4 months ago

Just put three round pennies touch with each other on a plane table. The triangular gap is 90 deg with each angle being 30deg and not 60. On a sphere, each angle becomes 90 deg and the sum of angles is 270. Only in plane geometry, each angle is 60 deg and the sum of the three angles is 180 which is what Euclidean geometry is all about. By the way, the concave represents a 2dimensional space, plane the three dimensional of a shadow, and the convex sphere the 4dimensional spacetime which we see, cognize, and really live with. In fact on any surface in our universe, there is no planar surface. All are convex curved. AND THAT INCLUDES SPACE. Ours is a closed universe. The circle is a flat representation and pi, _/2, _/3, are the products of our universe and best explain the science of numbers.

Mohummud Husain - 7 years, 2 months ago

Great way of addressing the question, but in your analogy, could you explain WHY the vertice at North Pole is 180? Thanks.

Arjun Bahuguna - 7 years, 4 months ago

look, all the longitudes are perpendicular to the equator... also once you move towards pole from the equator following two different longitudes then you will find that the longitudes have some angle betn them, thus it stands clear that the sum is more than 180.

Osho Sidhant - 7 years, 4 months ago

Because the north pole is in a straight line, between hypothetical China and Mexico.

Ng Donn - 7 years, 4 months ago

The max sum total of an equilateral triangle on a convex surface is 270 deg and on a concave it is 90 degrees and on a plane 180 degrees which we study in school and are commonly familiar with... Actually a plane surface never exists in our spacetime.it only appears to because of scale. It's all on a sphere in the 4dimensional sphere. On a 3dimensional space such as a shadow we will have the familiar Euclid's plane geometry. The obverse of convex is concave, which to illustrate simply, is the region which shows up as a gap when three round pennies are placed to make a triangle. The angles are each of 30deg in the concave equilateral triangle totaling 90 and in a plane these total 180 and on a sphere 270 degrees. Interesting. I it holds much meaning in the study of dimensions and spacetime continuum.

Idrees Husain - 7 years, 4 months ago

you can form an isosceles triangle with base angle equal to 90 degrees in shperical geometry right?

Rindell Mabunga - 7 years, 4 months ago

Already have shown that a concave surface such as represented by a concave triangular gap where three equal radii circles touch together, or like triangle on a horse saddle, the sum of the 3 angles in that triangle is 90 degrees.... On a Euclidean plane, the sum of a triangle is 180 deg. And on a surface of any sphere, it is 270 deg... Actually I have a theorem which is effectively axiomatic that there are eight (8) and only equilateral triangles, each of 270 deg. on a sphere and the sum of the angles of these 8 equals 2160 deg or 6x360 deg which corresponds to the sum total of the six faces or 8 vortices of the cube. This represents four dimensional spacetime. The Euclidean flat 180 deg represents 3 dimensional and the concave two dimensional. This is important and Euler's formulae V+F=E+2 is also valid for the sphere. Think, think, think, something is being said here.

Idrees Husain - 7 years, 3 months ago

Angles are measured in steradians for 3-dimensional objects and not in degrees. A sphere is a 3-dimensional object. Then, how can we say that the interior angles of the projection of a triangle on a sphere is related to degrees?

sheelbrat mishra - 7 years, 3 months ago

Simple sirs, start with an equilateral triangles on a concave, plane and sphereical surface, which in essence correspond to (and here is basic lesson in physics), two, three and four dimensions respectively. On concave, surface, the sum of the 3 angles will be 90 degrees.....nothing more nothing less... On Euclidean plane, we know it is 180 deg. On a sphere, it is 270 degrees rep resting three spatial dimensions in a 4D spacetime. Got it. Think, think. Remember, it's me who says this and neither the mathematicians nor the physicists. This is properly understand topology.

Mohummud Husain - 7 years, 2 months ago
Dhruv Patel
Feb 11, 2014

On a sphere, draw Vertical lines (Latitudes) at equal intervals and then draw a single horizontal line (Longitude) between any two consecutive latitudes on the surface of a sphere. The figure will represent a triangle on the surface of sphere. Now the 3 angles which are formed, out of which two formed due to intersection with latitudes will form 2 right angles and the third angle is always greater than 0 (based on what is the distance between two latitudes). Hence we have something like this -

Sum of the internal angles = 90 + 90 + (something greater than 0). Hence, the internal angles can be anything but should exceed 180 degrees.

Billybob Jenkins
Feb 10, 2014

Draw a line going from the top of a sphere to the middle somewhere, and draw a line perpendicular to the other line at the top and bring it to the middle. Then connect the ends of the segments, and you have a triangle with 270 degrees, which is more than 180 degrees.

Do parallel lines exist at all on the surface of a sphere? a little thought will show that the answer is "No". The usual proof of the theorem about the sum being 180 degrees in a Euclidean triangle says, "Extend any one side straight out, at any one of its two vertices. You get an exterior angle at that vertex. Draw the unique parallel to the 3rd side through that vertex and it is clear that the exterior angle equals the sum of the 2 interior opposite angles. 180 degrees being defined as the unique angle between any two parts of a straight line, the theorem is proved. Try the same argument for a spherical triangle. It doesn't work, because no parallel exists to the 3rd side. try it! any line you draw will intersect the 3rd side when that side is produce to its full length.

meher engineer - 7 years, 4 months ago

Parallel lines are imaginary lines and can exist in all spaces depending on which direction you choose for any two points on any surface. Lines of latitude on earth are an example for a sphere. Lines can converge, diverge or be parallel on any sphere concave or convex because the space is two dimensional... On one dimension there is nothing like a parallel line. On a two or more dimensional field we can have any of the three sorts i.e. Parallel, converging or diverging. That's why study of equilateral triangles on any surface will give you the sum of the angles as 90 for diverging (concave or one dimensional space), 180 for plane or two dimensional space, and 270 for convex such as proton, atom, moon, earth, sun or any 3 dimensional body or any matter that exists within our 4 dimensional spacetime.

Idrees Husain - 7 years, 4 months ago

In fact, parallel lines are the lines exactly reciprocal on on a sphere.

Idrees Husain - 7 years, 4 months ago

@Idrees Husain A quote from Wolfram MathWorld at http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SphericalGeometry.html clearly says, "In spherical geometry, straight lines are great circles, so any two lines meet in two points.There are also no parallel lines.". You wrote of a concave sphere; please draw it? .

meher engineer - 7 years, 4 months ago
Mohummud Husain
Mar 23, 2014

Spherical surface can be conveniently described by 8 equilateral triangles or faces of 270 degrees each, with 6 crossing lines representing vertices or points, and 12 sides of the triangles. This then makes true the Euler formulae of edges+2= faces+ vertices.... Also it matches the representation of a cube in 4dimensional spacetime. There are 270x8 angles on a cube adding to 2160 deg which the eight triangles on the sphere also yield. And correctly but strangely, the corners of the cube become the faces on the sphere, each of 270 deg, On paper, which is a planar linear surface, we have triangles of 180 degrees, and on a concave surface like a saddle, or the inside gap of three equal sized pennies which touch each other, it is 90 degrees. Think, think, this is the fundamental of science of physics, maths, reason and logic. But it is true only for our world where the numbers 1, _/2, _/3, pi and e are the natural outcome. What's stated here makes evident that our space is closed and finite and will collapse in a cataclysm in moment in future. That's validated and determined and accurately predicted just as the expansion of the cosmos was explained millennium years ago. The expansion will stop abruptly and really that will be the beginning of the end. But that end will give rise to a new universe with different laws and two permanently bifurcated spacetime worlds.

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