Triangular Tan Tutu

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In A B C \triangle ABC with sides a a , b b , and c c (with c c opposite to C \angle C ), if tan C = 2 \tan C = -2 and a + b c = 2 a + b - c = 2 , then the inradius r r is a root of f ( x ) = x 2 + m x + n f(x) = x^2 + mx + n , where m m and n n are integers. Find m + n m + n .


The answer is -2.

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Let D D be the common point of the incircle and side a a and I I the incircle. Denote the inradius by r r and the semiperimeter of the triangle by s s . Set t = tan C 2 t=\tan \dfrac{C}{2} . Then, C D = s c = 1 2 ( a + b + c ) c = 1 2 ( a + b c ) = 1 2 2 = 1 CD=s-c=\frac{1}{2}\left( a+b+c \right)-c=\frac{1}{2}\left( a+b-c \right)=\frac{1}{2}\cdot 2=1 and

tan C = 2 2 tan C 2 1 ( tan C 2 ) 2 = 2 t 1 t 2 = 1 t 2 t 1 = 0 ( 1 ) \begin{aligned} \tan C=-2 & \Rightarrow \frac{2\tan \frac{C}{2}}{1-{{\left( \tan \frac{C}{2} \right)}^{2}}}=-2 \\ & \Rightarrow \frac{t}{1-{{t}^{2}}}=-1 \\ & \Rightarrow {{t}^{2}}-t-1=0 \ \ \ \ \ (1)\\ \end{aligned} Moreover, tan C 2 = I D C D t = r 1 t = r \tan \frac{C}{2}=\frac{ID}{CD}\Rightarrow t=\frac{r}{1}\Rightarrow t=r Combining with ( 1 ) (1) we get r 2 r 1 = 0 {{r}^{2}}-r-1=0 Thus, m = n = 1 m=n=-1 and the answer is m + n = 2 m+n=\boxed{-2} .

Nice solution! I think you have a typo on the first line: D is the common point of the incircle and the side a, not C.

David Vreken - 1 week, 3 days ago

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Thanks, I edited it.

Thanos Petropoulos - 1 week, 3 days ago
Chris Lewis
Jun 2, 2021

The trick here will be to avoid calculating a , b a,b explicitly, and just use symmetric functions. We already have a + b = c + 2 a+b=c+2 from the question.

From tan C = 2 \tan C=-2 we get cos C = 1 5 \cos C=-\frac{1}{\sqrt5} and sin C = 2 5 \sin C=\frac{2}{\sqrt5} .

Using the cosine rule, c 2 = a 2 + b 2 2 a b cos C c 2 = a 2 + b 2 + 2 a b 5 c 2 = ( c + 2 ) 2 2 a b + 2 a b 5 c 2 = c 2 + 4 c + 4 2 a b + 2 a b 5 a b = 2 ( c + 1 ) 1 1 5 = 1 2 ( 5 + 5 ) ( c + 1 ) \begin{aligned} c^2 &=a^2+b^2-2ab \cos C \\ c^2 &= a^2+b^2+\frac{2ab}{\sqrt5} \\ c^2 &= (c+2)^2-2ab+\frac{2ab}{\sqrt5} \\ c^2 &= c^2+4c+4-2ab+\frac{2ab}{\sqrt5} \\ ab &=\frac{2(c+1)}{1-\frac{1}{\sqrt5}} = \frac12 \left(5+\sqrt5\right)(c+1) \end{aligned}

The area of the triangle is Δ = 1 2 a b sin C = 1 4 ( 5 + 5 ) ( c + 1 ) 2 5 = 1 2 ( 1 + 5 ) ( c + 1 ) \Delta=\frac12 ab \sin C= \frac14 \left(5+\sqrt5\right)(c+1) \frac{2}{\sqrt5}=\frac12 \left(1+\sqrt5\right)(c+1)

and the semiperimeter is s = a + b + c 2 = c + 1 s=\frac{a+b+c}{2}=c+1

so the inradius is r = Δ s = 1 2 ( 1 + 5 ) r=\frac{\Delta}{s}=\frac12 \left(1+\sqrt5\right)

which is the golden ratio and is a root of x 2 x 1 = 0 x^2-x-1=0 , giving the answer m + n = 1 1 = 2 m+n=-1-1=\boxed{-2} .

There are actually infinitely many triangles that fit these conditions (which makes sense - three pieces of information are needed to define a triangle, and we only have two). There's a restriction on c c , though, which I'll leave as a bonus question.

I'm guessing there's another solution here that uses the fact that the distance from C C to the two nearest points of tangency of the triangle to its incircle are both 1 1 .

I wonder if it's possible to set up a similar problem where the inradius can be either one of the two roots of a quadratic?

Chris Lewis - 1 week, 3 days ago

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c c is a minimum when a = b a = b , so c 2 = a 2 + b 2 + 2 a b 5 = ( 2 + 2 5 ) a 2 c^2 = a^2 + b^2 + \cfrac{2ab}{\sqrt{5}} = (2 + \cfrac{2}{\sqrt{5}})a^2 , and c + 2 = a + b = 2 a c + 2 = a + b = 2a . Combining these and solving gives c = 3 + 5 + 2 5 + 5 11.391 c = 3 + \sqrt{5} + 2\sqrt{5 + \sqrt{5}} \approx 11.391 . So the restriction on c c is that c > 11.391 c > 11.391 .

David Vreken - 1 week, 3 days ago

The problem was inspired when I derived the following formula for the inradius r r :

r = 2 A P = 2 1 2 a b sin C a + b + c = a b sin C ( a + b c ) ( a + b + c ) ( a + b c ) = a b sin C ( a + b c ) a 2 + 2 a b + b 2 c 2 = a b sin C ( a + b c ) a 2 + 2 a b + b 2 ( a 2 + b 2 2 a b cos C ) = a b sin C ( a + b c ) 2 a b ( 1 + cos C ) = 1 2 ( a + b c ) tan 1 2 C r = \cfrac{2A}{P} = \cfrac{2 \cdot \frac{1}{2}ab\sin C}{a + b + c} = \cfrac{ab\sin C \cdot (a + b - c)}{(a + b + c)(a + b - c)} = \cfrac{ab\sin C \cdot (a + b - c)}{a^2 + 2ab + b^2 - c^2} = \cfrac{ab\sin C \cdot (a + b - c)}{a^2 + 2ab + b^2 - (a^2 + b^2 - 2ab \cos C)} = \cfrac{ab\sin C \cdot (a + b - c)}{2ab(1 + \cos C)} = \frac{1}{2} (a + b - c) \tan \frac{1}{2}C

To me the picture in Thanos's solution helps make this equation make sense.

David Vreken - 1 week, 3 days ago

Also there are infinitely many quadratic equations with a root the golden ratio, but only one of them has an integer m and n.

Iliya Hristov - 1 week, 2 days ago

Given that tan C = 2 \tan C = -2 , sin C = 2 5 \implies \sin C = \dfrac 2{\sqrt 5} and cos C = 1 5 \cos C = - \dfrac 1{\sqrt 5} . By cosine rule ,

c 2 = a 2 + b 2 2 a b cos C c 2 = ( a + b ) 2 2 a b + 2 5 a b Since a + b c = 2 c 2 = ( c + 2 ) 2 2 ( 1 1 5 ) a b c 2 = c 2 + 4 c + 4 2 ( 1 1 5 ) a b 2 c + 2 = ( 1 1 5 ) a b \begin{aligned} c^2 & = a^2 + b^2 - 2 ab \cos C \\ c^2 & = (\blue{a+b})^2 - 2ab + \frac 2{\sqrt 5}ab & \small \blue{\text{Since }a+b - c = 2} \\ c^2 & = (\blue{c+2})^2 - 2\left(1 - \frac 1{\sqrt 5}\right) ab \\ c^2 & = c^2 + 4c + 4 - 2\left(1 - \frac 1{\sqrt 5}\right) ab \\ \implies 2c + 2 & = \left(1 - \frac 1{\sqrt 5}\right) ab \end{aligned}

The inradius r r is given by:

r = Δ 1 2 ( a + b + c ) = 1 2 a b sin C 1 2 ( a + b + c ) = 2 5 a b a + b + c where Δ is the area of A B C = 2 5 a b 2 c + 2 = 2 5 a b ( 1 1 5 ) a b = 1 + 5 2 = φ where φ denotes the gold ratio. \begin{aligned} r & = \frac \blue \Delta{\frac 12(a+b+c)} = \frac {\frac 12 ab \sin C}{\frac 12(a+b+c)} = \frac {\frac 2{\sqrt 5}ab}{a+b+c} & \small \blue{\text{where }\Delta \text{ is the area of }\triangle ABC} \\ & = \frac {\frac 2{\sqrt 5}ab}{2c+2} = \frac {\frac 2{\sqrt 5}ab}{\left(1-\frac 1{\sqrt 5}\right)ab} = \frac {1+\sqrt 5}2 = \blue \varphi & \small \blue{\text{where }\varphi \text{ denotes the gold ratio.}} \end{aligned}

Therefore r = φ r = \varphi is the root of f ( x ) = x 2 x 1 f(x) = x^2 - x -1 . The required answer is m + n = 1 1 = 2 m+n = -1 -1 = \boxed {-2} .

x 2 ( φ + 1 ) x + φ = 0 x = 1 o r x = φ m + n = 1 x^2-(\varphi +1)x+\varphi=0\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\;x=1\;\;\;or\;\;\;x=\varphi\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\;m+n=-1

Iliya Hristov - 1 week, 2 days ago

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Nope, φ 2 φ 1 = 0 \varphi^2 - \varphi - 1 = 0 .

Chew-Seong Cheong - 1 week, 1 day ago

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But why exactly x 2 x 1 x^2-x-1 , since there are infinitely many quadratic equations with a root φ \varphi ?

Iliya Hristov - 1 week, 1 day ago

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@Iliya Hristov Are there many quadrilateral equations? Come up with another one please. m m and n n must be integers. φ \varphi is irrational and not an integer.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 1 week, 1 day ago

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@Chew-Seong Cheong Precisely x 2 x 1 = 0 x^2-x-1=0 is the only quadratic equation with a root φ \varphi and integer m and n.

Iliya Hristov - 1 week, 1 day ago

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@Iliya Hristov Then why were you asking?

Chew-Seong Cheong - 1 week, 1 day ago

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@Chew-Seong Cheong Because for me it is not an obvious fact and no one else even try to prove it.

Iliya Hristov - 1 week, 1 day ago

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@Iliya Hristov It is clearly given in the question that m m and n n are integers. It is just that someone is too clever and did not see it.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 1 week, 1 day ago
Iliya Hristov
Jun 2, 2021

B C = a C A = b A B = c O D = O E = O F = r C E = C F = a + b c 2 = 2 2 = 1 tan C = 2 9 0 < C < 18 0 a n d G E = 2 G C G C 2 + ( 2 G C ) 2 = 1 2 G C = 1 5 C E G O E H G E 1 = H E r 2 5 = 1 + 1 5 r r = 1 + 5 2 x 2 + m x + n = 0 ( 1 + 5 2 ) 2 + m 1 + 5 2 + n 0 1 + 2 5 + 5 4 + m + m 5 2 n ( m + 1 ) 5 + m + 3 2 n ( m + 1 ) = 0 m = 1 1 + 3 = 2 n n = 1 m + n = 2 BC=a\;\;\;CA=b\;\;\;AB=c\;\;\;OD=OE=OF=r\;\;\;CE=CF=\frac{a+b-c}{2}=\frac{2}{2}=1\;\;\;\tan C=-2\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\;90^\circ<C<180^\circ\;\;\;and\;\;\; GE=2GC\\GC^2+(2GC)^2=1^2\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\;GC=\frac{1}{\sqrt{5}}\;\;\;\bigtriangleup CEG\sim\bigtriangleup OEH\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\;\frac{GE}{1}=\frac{HE}{r}\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\;\frac{2}{\sqrt{5}}=\frac{1+\frac{1}{\sqrt{5}}}{r}\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\;r=\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\\x^2+mx+n=0\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\; \left(\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^2+m\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}+n\equiv 0\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\;\frac{1+2\sqrt{5}+5}{4}+\frac{m+m\sqrt{5}}{2}\equiv -n\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\;(m+1)\sqrt{5}+m+3\equiv -2n\;\;\;\Rightarrow\\(m+1)=0\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\;m=-1\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\; -1+3=-2n\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\;n=-1\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\;m+n=\boxed{-2}

Nice solution!

David Vreken - 1 week, 2 days ago

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Nice problem! Thank you.

Iliya Hristov - 1 week, 2 days ago

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