Trying to prove the earth is flat

Geometry Level 1

In 1838, Samuel Birley Rowbotham conducted observations leading him to conclude the earth was flat. His idea was the following: If light goes straight and I'm standing at A A with my friend, there must be a point B B where I can't see him.

Assuming light does not bend because of atmospheric refraction , which of these is closest to the minimum arc length of A B \stackrel\frown{AB} that would prevent Samuel from seeing his friend? Assume they are both 1.8 1.8 meters tall and the radius of the earth is 6 , 371 , 009 m . 6,371,009\text{ m}.

Note: Though the earth is (of course) not flat, Samuel was able to see his friend at a farther distance than he was supposed to. This is due to atmospheric refraction, i.e. the non-homogeneous density of air creating a slight deviation of light. Without knowing this effect, a newspaper editor performed in 1896 the same experiment and concluded the earth was concavely curved.

about 8000m about 8500m about 9000m about 9500m about 10000m

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One simple way to get an estimation is to calculate the distance between their heads. C A = r + 1.8 CA' = r + 1.8 and C D = r CD = r , thus A D = 2 r 1.8 + 1. 8 2 A'D = \sqrt{2*r*1.8 + 1.8^2} , which is about 4789. Thus, A B A'B' is about 9578.

To find precisely the distance, a possibility is to calculate the angle θ = A C B \theta = ACB , which verifies :

cos ( θ 2 ) = r r + 1.8 = 0.999999717 \cos(\frac{\theta}{2}) = \frac{r}{r+1.8} = 0.999999717 , thus θ = 0.000752329733 r a d \theta = 0.000752329733 rad . The perimeter P P of the Earth is 2 π r 2\pi r , thus A B = P . θ 2 π = 9586 AB = \frac{P.\theta}{2\pi} = 9586 .

Since P P is 2 π r 2 \pi r you can cancel the 2 π 2 \pi and just multiply r by θ \theta .

Paul Sinnett - 3 years, 4 months ago

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or just use the fact that you're already in radians to say that arc length = radius * angle

Dan Wheatley - 3 years, 4 months ago

How did you find A'D?? Can you explain the formula used there ?

Rohit Kumar - 3 years, 4 months ago

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pythagorean theorem

Dusan Brdjovic - 3 years, 4 months ago

Pythagorean theorem states that A C 2 = D C 2 + A D 2 A'C^2 = DC^2 + A'D^2 , thus A D = A C 2 D C 2 A'D = \sqrt{A'C^2 - DC^2}

Steven De Oliveira - 3 years, 4 months ago

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Thanks for the help. But I wanted to know how A'D^2 = (2 r 1.8) + (1.8^2). This don't seem like Pythagorean theorem

Rohit Kumar - 3 years, 4 months ago

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@Rohit Kumar That's because A C 2 = r 2 + 2 r 1.8 + 1. 8 2 A'C^2 = r^2 + 2r1.8 + 1.8^2 while D C = r 2 DC = r^2 . The quadratic term r 2 r^2 is removed by the substraction

Steven De Oliveira - 3 years, 4 months ago

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@Steven De Oliveira Thank you sir. Understood 😀

Rohit Kumar - 3 years, 4 months ago

To expand on the other comments, note that the tangent is perpendicular to the radius, which is why pythagoras helps.

Richard Farrer - 3 years, 4 months ago

Use Pythagoras theorem there

Sravan Kumar - 3 years, 4 months ago

Woops. I just realised I did sine instead of cosine... That was dumb of me.

William Kennedy - 3 years, 4 months ago

Can't we take the angle in degrees??

Sravan Kumar - 3 years, 4 months ago

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Yes you can, but cosinus takes as input an angle in radians.

Steven De Oliveira - 3 years, 1 month ago

Great picture and approximation. Thanks! I believe though, you got a little sloppy in the last two lines: The number you give as theta seems to be only half theta. In addition, if I use PocketCAS to do the exact calculation and do not round the angle, the result is 9578m as in your approximation. If I take the digits from PocketCAS’ internal memory and type them in again, I get the same result as you. I believe that 9578m is the better (correct?) answer.

Oliver Meyer - 3 years, 2 months ago

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You are right :) It is amazing how using a slack approximation of the angle can break all the reasoning compared to assuming that the earth is flat for the Pythagorean approximation. Try removing the last digit of cos(theta/2) and do the calculation, you will be surprised !

Steven De Oliveira - 3 years, 1 month ago
Pratik Sapre
Jan 23, 2018

c o s 1 ( 6371009 6371010.8 ) 6371009 2 = 9578.23 cos^{-1} (\frac{6371009}{6371010.8}) * 6371009 * 2 = 9578.23

Hmmm, can you explain how you formulate this equation?

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 4 months ago

That's very nice, I performed many rounding errors in my calculation by separating each step. They were so big that the "pythagorean approximation" was more precise !

Steven De Oliveira - 3 years, 4 months ago

I agree with your answer Pratik Sapre - I tried to keep rounding to an absolute minimum and ended up with 9,578.238!

Matthew Lymer - 3 years, 4 months ago
Kelvin Hong
Jan 24, 2018

Let the angle of center of the circle opened to the two people is 2 θ 2\theta , we can obtained

cos θ = R R + 1.8 \cos \theta = \frac{R}{R+1.8}

Because the angle is almost zero, we can use approximate method, namely Taylor Series

R R + 1.8 1 θ 2 2 + s m a l l t e r m s \frac{R}{R+1.8} \approx 1-\frac{\theta ^2}{2}+ smallterms

θ 3.6 R + 1.8 \theta \approx \sqrt{\frac{3.6}{R+1.8}}

So the arc A B AB can be calculated by formula L = 2 R θ 2 R 3.6 R + 1.8 L = 2R\theta \approx 2R\sqrt{\frac{3.6}{R+1.8}}

Put in the value of R = 6371009 R=6371009 to obtain the answer L 9578.231 9500 L \approx 9578.231 \approx \boxed{9500}

of course the earth is flat... you should have listened to kent hovind

BLOBVISGOD Van der Waal - 3 years, 4 months ago

Beware the missing . in the square root of the final answer ( R + 1.8 ) :-)

Steven De Oliveira - 3 years, 4 months ago

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Thanks! I forgot that

Kelvin Hong - 3 years, 4 months ago
Michael Lui
Jan 25, 2018

Simply apply Pythagoras' Theorem, A B = 2 ( 6375009 + 1.8 ) 2 637500 9 2 9578.23202239 m AB=2 \sqrt{(6375009+1.8)^2-6375009^2} \approx 9578.23202239 m

This is A'B', not AB

Steven De Oliveira - 3 years, 4 months ago

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But,here we need approximate value but not exact.This is quite simple solution!!!

Sravan Kumar - 3 years, 4 months ago

I agree, Pythagoras is much simpler, however, I arrived at 9,444.265 by making allowance for their eyes not being right at the top of their heads. i.e. I used height of 1.75m as an average between top of head and position of eyes.

Michael Jarvis - 3 years, 4 months ago
Shelby Kilmer
Jan 27, 2018

For those of you approximating cos, I would suggest using sin instead. Since sinx/x converges to 1 very rapidly, you can use x in place of sinx for small x and retain a great deal of accuracy.

Farhanur Rahman
Jan 23, 2018

The maximum distance that would prevent them from seeing themselves is tangential to the earth surface. So, the angle subtended by arc AB at the center of the earth is 2 times of arccos 6371009/(6371009+1.8) which equals to 0.0861 degrees. So, the length of arc AB is 2 3.1416 6371009*0.0861/360 which equals to 9573.89 metres. So, the correct answer is about 9500 metres.

Terrence Yang
Jan 25, 2018

EZ pathagoras problem don't know why this is on intermediate

Because Pythagoras gives the length of A'B', not AB

Steven De Oliveira - 3 years, 4 months ago

Since the earth radius is so large, arc length 2 × ( R + 1.8 ) 2 R 2 = 9578.225 m . \approx2\times\sqrt{(R+1.8)^2 - R^2}=9578.225 \text{ m}.

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