Two Magnetic Loops (Part 2)

There are two circular loops of wire, each carrying a current of magnitude 1 1 .

Loop 1 1 is parallel to the x y xy plane, with a radius of 1 1 and center ( x , y , z ) = ( 0 , 0 , 0 ) (x,y,z) = (0,0,0) .
Loop 2 2 is parallel to the y z yz plane, with a radius of 2 2 and center ( x , y , z ) = ( 1 , 0 , 0 ) (x,y,z) = (1,0,0) .

What is the magnitude of the magnetic force exerted by one loop on the other?

Details and Assumptions:
1) Magnetic permeability μ 0 = 1 \mu_0 = 1 , for simplicity


The answer is 0.144.

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1 solution

Karan Chatrath
Oct 26, 2019

Nice follow-up.

An arbitrary point on the smaller loop is:

r 1 = R 1 cos θ 1 i ^ + R 1 sin θ 1 j ^ + 0 k ^ \vec{r}_1 = R_1\cos{\theta_1} \hat{i} + R_1\sin{\theta_1} \hat{j} + 0 \hat{k}

One of the larger loop is:

r 2 = 1 i ^ + R 2 cos θ 2 j ^ + R 2 sin θ 2 k ^ \vec{r}_2 = 1 \hat{i}+ R_2\cos{\theta_2} \hat{j} + R_2\sin{\theta_2} \hat{k}

r = r 2 r 1 \vec{r} = \vec{r}_2 -\vec{r}_1

The magnetic field due to a length element on the larger loop at a point on the smaller loop is:

d B = μ o I 4 π ( d r 1 × r r 3 ) d\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_oI}{4\pi}\left(\frac{d\vec{r}_1\times\vec{r}}{\mid \vec{r} \mid^3}\right)

Having found the magnetic field components, the next step is computing the magnetic force experienced by a length element of the smaller loop. The expression is:

d F = d F x i ^ + d F y j ^ + d F z k ^ d\vec{F} = dF_x \hat{i} +dF_y \hat{j} +dF_z \hat{k}

d F = I ( d r 2 × d B ) d\vec{F} = I (d\vec{r}_2\times d\vec{B})

Substituting all expressions and simplifying gives:

d F x = 1 4 π ( 2 sin ( θ 2 ) ( cos ( θ 1 ) 1 ) 2 ( 3 2 cos ( θ 2 ) sin ( θ 1 ) cos ( θ 1 ) ) 3 / 2 ) d θ 1 d θ 2 dF_x = \frac{1}{4\pi}\left(\frac{\sqrt{2}\,\sin\left(\theta _{2}\right)\,\left(\cos\left(\theta _{1}\right)-1\right)}{2\,{\left(3-2\,\cos\left(\theta _{2}\right)\,\sin\left(\theta _{1}\right)-\cos\left(\theta _{1}\right)\right)}^{3/2}}\right)d\theta_1 d\theta_2

d F y = 1 4 π ( 2 cos ( θ 1 ) cos ( θ 2 ) sin ( θ 2 ) ( 3 2 cos ( θ 2 ) sin ( θ 1 ) cos ( θ 1 ) ) 3 / 2 ) d θ 1 d θ 2 dF_y = \frac{1}{4\pi}\left(\frac{2\,\cos\left(\theta _{1}\right)\,\cos\left(\theta _{2}\right)\,\sin\left(\theta _{2}\right)}{{\left(3-2\,\cos\left(\theta _{2}\right)\,\sin\left(\theta _{1}\right)-\cos\left(\theta _{1}\right)\right)}^{3/2}}\right)d\theta_1 d\theta_2

d F z = 1 4 π ( 2 cos ( θ 1 ) sin ( θ 2 ) 2 ( 3 2 cos ( θ 2 ) sin ( θ 1 ) cos ( θ 1 ) ) 3 / 2 ) d θ 1 d θ 2 dFz = \frac{1}{4\pi}\left(\frac{2\,\cos\left(\theta _{1}\right)\,{\sin\left(\theta _{2}\right)}^2}{{\left(3-2\,\cos\left(\theta _{2}\right)\,\sin\left(\theta _{1}\right)-\cos\left(\theta _{1}\right)\right)}^{3/2}}\right)d\theta_1 d\theta_2

The forces can then be computed by solving double integrals as both θ 1 \theta_1 and θ 2 \theta_2 vary from 0 0 to 2 π 2\pi . The X and Y components of the force are zero. This is expected by virtue of the configuration of the loops. The Z component double integral evaluates to: F z = 0.1445 \boxed{F_z=0.1445} .

The method is straightforward but evaluating the expressions was tedious. I am considering switching to a complete code-based solution in the future for problems like these. Also, you could think of a variant where the two loops are arbitrarily oriented and placed in 3D space. That would be fun.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year, 7 months ago

Nice solution. I am always impressed by your ability to manipulate expressions, but I am also surprised that you go to the trouble, given the simplicity of an all-code solution. I might do a Part 3 with the completely random orientations and random center coordinates.

Steven Chase - 1 year, 7 months ago

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Thank you! Evaluating expressions does take some patience and I do goof up in the process more often than not. Like I mentioned, I am reconsidering my approach to these problems. I also look forward to the follow-up if you do upload one.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year, 7 months ago

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Part 3 is up now

Steven Chase - 1 year, 7 months ago

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@Steven Chase Will try as soon as I can. Looks interesting. I've uploaded a mechanics problem as well. Hope you like it

Karan Chatrath - 1 year, 7 months ago

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@Karan Chatrath I have solved the problem. It was fun. I will share a solution at a later time.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year, 7 months ago

@Steven Chase I have solved the problem. It was fun. I will share a solution at a later time.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year, 7 months ago

@Steven Chase @Steven Chase sir can you please upload the solution of magnetic line integral part 3 {https://brilliant.org/problems/magnetic-line-integral-part-3/}

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 7 months ago

@Steven Chase sir can you please upload the solution of magnetic line integral part 3 {https://brilliant.org/problems/magnetic-line-integral-part-3/}

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 7 months ago

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