Two sequences and a limit

Calculus Level 5

{ a 1 = 1 = b 1 a n + 1 = a n + b n , b n + 1 = a n + 1 + a n , n 1 \begin{cases} \begin{aligned}a_1&=1=b_1\\ a_{n+1}&=a_{n}+b_{n}, & b_{n+1}&=a_{n+1}+a_{n}, \quad n\ge 1 \end{aligned}\end{cases}

Let { a k } \left \{a_k\right \} an { b k } \left \{b_k\right \} be sequences satisfying the above conditions.

Find the value of 10000 lim n b n a n \displaystyle\left\lfloor 10000\lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{b_n}{a_n} \right\rfloor .

Notation : \lfloor \cdot \rfloor denotes the floor function .


The answer is 14142.

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4 solutions

Mark Hennings
Oct 25, 2018

We note that a n + 1 = 2 a n + a n 1 a_{n+1} = 2a_n + a_{n-1} with a 1 = 1 a_1 = 1 , a 2 = 2 a_2=2 . Solving this recurrence relation, we obtain a n = 1 2 2 [ ( 1 + 2 ) n ( 1 2 ) n ] a_n \; = \; \frac{1}{2\sqrt{2}}\left[\big(1+\sqrt{2}\big)^n - \big(1-\sqrt{2}\big)^n\right] and hence b n = a n + 1 a n = 1 2 [ ( 1 + 2 ) n + ( 1 2 ) n ] b_n \; = \; a_{n+1} - a_n \; = \; \frac{1}{2}\left[\big(1 + \sqrt{2}\big)^n + \big(1 - \sqrt{2}\big)^n\right] and hence b n a n = 2 1 + u n 1 u n \frac{b_n}{a_n} \; = \; \sqrt{2}\frac{1 + u^n}{1 - u^n} where u = 1 2 1 + 2 u \; = \; \frac{1 - \sqrt{2}}{1 + \sqrt{2}} Since 1 < u < 0 -1 < u < 0 , we deduce that lim n b n a n = 2 \lim_{n \to \infty}\frac{b_n}{a_n} \; = \; \sqrt{2} making the desired answer 10000 2 = 14142 \lfloor 10000\sqrt{2}\rfloor = \boxed{14142} .

It is worth noting that 2 a n 2 b 2 = 1 4 [ ( ( 1 + 2 ) n ( 1 2 ) n ) n ( ( 1 + 2 ) n + ( 1 2 ) n ) n ] = ( 1 + 2 ) n ( 1 2 ) n = ( 1 ) n + 1 \begin{aligned} 2a_n^2 - b^2 & = \; \frac14\left[\left(\big(1 + \sqrt{2}\big)^n - \big(1 - \sqrt{2}\big)^n\right)^n - \left(\big(1 + \sqrt{2}\big)^n + \big(1 - \sqrt{2}\big)^n\right)^n \right] \\ & = \; -\big(1 + \sqrt{2}\big)^n\big(1 - \sqrt{2}\big)^n \; = \; (-1)^{n+1} \end{aligned} as noted by @Chan Lye Lee . For that matter, 2 a n + 1 2 b n + 1 2 = 2 ( a n + b n ) 2 ( 2 a n + b n ) 2 = b n 2 2 a n 2 2a_{n+1}^2 - b_{n+1}^2 \; = \; 2(a_n + b_n)^2 - (2a_n + b_n)^2 \; = \; b_n^2 - 2a_n^2 and so the fact that 2 a n 2 b n 2 = ( 1 ) n + 1 2a_n^2 - b_n^2 = (-1)^{n+1} is a simple induction.

I am noob in recursion solving. How did you solve the recursion?

Department 8 - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Look for solutions of the form a n = u n a_n =u^n . To be a solution, we must have u 2 2 u 1 = 0 u^2-2u-1=0 , giving us two values for u u , namely 1 ± 2 1\pm\sqrt{2} . Find constants c , d c,d such that a n = c ( 1 + 2 ) n + d ( 1 2 ) n a_n=c(1+\sqrt{2})^n +d(1-\sqrt{2})^n gives the right values for n = 1 , 2 n=1,2 , and we are done.

Mark Hennings - 2 years, 7 months ago
Chan Lye Lee
Oct 25, 2018

[Partial solution]

The table shows the first values of a n a_n and b n b_n .

It is interesting to note that 2 a n 2 = b n 2 + ( 1 ) n 1 2a_n^2 = b_n^2 + (-1)^{n-1} . For example: 2 a 3 2 = 2 ( 25 ) = 50 = 7 2 + 1 = b 3 2 + 1 2a_3^2 = 2(25)=50=7^2+1=b_3^2+1 . Hence 2 a n 2 b n 2 2a_n^2 \approx b_n^2 . So b n a n 2 \frac{b_n}{a_n} \approx \sqrt{2} . Finally 10000 lim n b n a n = 10000 2 = 14142 \displaystyle\left\lfloor 10000\lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{b_n}{a_n} \right\rfloor = 10000\sqrt{2} =14142 .

Sir please see my solution

Department 8 - 2 years, 7 months ago
Otto Bretscher
Oct 25, 2018

We can write [ a n + 1 b n + 1 ] = [ 1 1 2 1 ] [ a n b n ] \left[\begin{array}{cc}a_{n+1}\\b_{n+1}\\\end{array}\right] =\left[\begin{array}{cc}1&1\\2&1\\\end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{cc}a_{n}\\b_{n}\\\end{array}\right] . The eigenvalues of the matrix are 1 ± 2 1\pm\sqrt{2} , and an eigenvector associated with the dominant eigenvalue 1 + 2 1+\sqrt{2} is [ a b ] = [ 1 2 ] \left[\begin{array}{cc}a\\b\\\end{array}\right]=\left[\begin{array}{cc}1\\\sqrt{2}\\\end{array}\right] . Thus lim n b n a n = b a = 2 1.4142 \lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{b_n}{a_n}=\frac{b}{a}=\sqrt{2}\approx1.4142 and the answer is 14142 \boxed{14142} .

It is interesting to note that the answer is independent of the initial values as long as b 1 2 a 1 b_1\neq-\sqrt{2}a_1 .

Sir, Please review my solution and point any mistakes...

Department 8 - 2 years, 7 months ago
Department 8
Oct 30, 2018

First, see that both sequence are increasing and

L = lim n b n a n = lim n b n + 1 a n + 1 L = \lim_{n \to \infty } \frac{b_{n}}{a_{n}} = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty } \frac{b_{n+1}}{a_{n+1}}

Now the fun part

L = lim n b n + 1 a n + 1 = lim n 2 a n + b n a n + b n = lim n ( 1 + 1 1 + b n a n ) L = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty } \frac{b_{n+1}}{a_{n+1}} = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty } \frac{2a_{n}+b_{n}}{a_{n}+b_{n}} = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty } (1+ \frac{1}{1+\frac{b_{n}}{a_{n}}})

Ha...

L = 1 + 1 L + 1 L 2 1 = 1 L = 2 L=1+\frac{1}{L+1} \Rightarrow L^{2}-1=1 \Rightarrow L=\sqrt{2} 10000 × L = 14142 \lfloor10000 \times L\rfloor = \boxed{14142}

Interesting! But how do we know that lim n b n a n \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{b_n}{a_n} exists in the first place?

Otto Bretscher - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Because the answer was to be integer?? But on paper, if writing the whole solution was to be subjective then the question raised by you, sir, was very valid. So, how do we actually prove it? Plus, How were you able to see it???

Department 8 - 2 years, 7 months ago

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The problem can be done elegantly with linear algebra, as I try to show in my solution. Does it make sense?

Otto Bretscher - 2 years, 7 months ago

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@Otto Bretscher Yeah! I was able to understand now. Thanks!

Department 8 - 2 years, 7 months ago

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