Two Uncharged Capacitors

Two uncharged identical capacitors A A and B B , each of capacitance C C and an inductor of inductance L L are arranged as shown in the adjacent figure. At t = 0 t=0 the S 1 S_1 is closed while switch S 2 S_2 remains open. At time t = t 0 = L C π 2 t=t_0=\sqrt{LC} \frac{π}{2} , switch S 2 S_2 is closed while switch s 1 s_1 is opened.

The charge on capacitor A A after time t 0 t_0 is α C E \alpha CE The current flowing through the inductor at t = t 0 t=t_0 is β C E L C \beta \frac{CE}{\sqrt{LC}} After switch S 2 S_2 is closed and S 1 S_1 is opened, the maximum value of current through the inductor is ( γ C δ L ) E (\sqrt\frac{\gamma C}{\delta L}) E
Type your answer as α + β + γ + δ = ? \alpha+ \beta+ \gamma+\delta=? Details and Assumptions
1) α , β , γ , δ \alpha, \beta, \gamma, \delta all four are integers.
2) γ , δ \gamma, \delta are co-prime numbers.
3) The wire used in the circuit have 0 resistance.


The answer is 7.

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2 solutions

Guilherme Niedu
May 29, 2020

Between t = 0 t = 0 and t = t 0 t = t_0 :

E = 1 C 0 t i ( τ ) d τ + L d i d t \large \displaystyle E = \frac{1}{C} \int_0^{t} i(\tau) d\tau + L \frac{di}{dt}

Apllying Laplace transform :

E s = 1 C s I ( s ) + L s I ( s ) \large \displaystyle \frac{E}{s} = \frac{1}{Cs} I(s) + Ls I(s)

I ( s ) = E C L C s 2 + 1 \large \displaystyle I(s) = \frac{EC}{LCs^2+1}

I ( s ) = C E L C 1 L C s 2 + 1 L C \large \displaystyle I(s) = \frac{CE}{\sqrt{LC}} \cdot \frac{\frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}}}{s^2+ \frac{1}{LC}}

So:

i ( t ) = C E L C sin ( 1 L C t ) \color{#20A900} \boxed{ \large \displaystyle i(t) = \frac{CE}{\sqrt{LC}} \sin \left ( \frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}} t \right ) }

Likewise the voltage on capacitor A A is:

V A ( s ) = 1 C s I ( s ) = E s ( L C s 2 + 1 ) \large \displaystyle V_A(s) = \frac{1}{Cs} I(s) = \frac{E}{s(LCs^2+1)}

V A ( s ) = E s E s s 2 + 1 L C \large \displaystyle V_A(s)= \frac{E}{s} - \frac{Es}{s^2+\frac{1}{LC}}

v A ( t ) = E [ 1 cos ( 1 L C t ) ] \color{#20A900} \boxed{ \large \displaystyle v_A(t) = E \left [ 1 - \cos \left ( \frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}} t \right ) \right ] }

So:

i ( t 0 ) = C E L C β = 1 \color{#3D99F6} \large \displaystyle i(t_0) = \frac{CE}{\sqrt{LC}} \rightarrow \boxed{ \large \displaystyle \beta= 1}

v A ( t 0 ) = E q A ( t 0 ) = C E α = 1 \color{#3D99F6} \large \displaystyle v_A(t_0) = E \rightarrow q_A(t_0) = CE \rightarrow \boxed{ \large \displaystyle \alpha = 1}

After t 0 t_0 :

On capacitor A A :

( i ) i ( t ) = C d v A ( t ) d t , v A ( t 0 ) = E \color{#D61F06} (i) \ \color{#333333} \large \displaystyle i(t) = C\frac{dv_A(t)}{dt}, v_A(t_0) = E

On capacitor B B :

( i i ) i ( t ) = C d v B ( t ) d t , v B ( t 0 ) = 0 \color{#D61F06} (ii) \ \color{#333333} \large \displaystyle i(t) = C\frac{dv_B(t)}{dt}, v_B(t_0) = 0

On inductor:

( i i i ) L d i ( t ) d t = v L ( t ) , i ( t 0 ) = C E L C \color{#D61F06} (iii) \ \color{#333333} \large \displaystyle L \frac{di(t)}{dt} = v_L(t), i(t_0) = \frac{CE}{\sqrt{LC}}

Applying laplace again on three equations:

( i ) I ( s ) = C ( s V A ( s ) E ) \color{#D61F06} (i) \ \color{#333333} \large \displaystyle I(s) = C(sV_A(s) - E)

( i i ) I ( s ) = C s V B ( s ) \color{#D61F06} (ii) \ \color{#333333} \large \displaystyle I(s) = CsV_B(s)

( i i i ) L ( s I ( s ) C E L C ) = V L ( s ) \color{#D61F06} (iii) \ \color{#333333} \large \displaystyle L \left ( sI(s) - \frac{CE}{\sqrt{LC}} \right ) = V_L(s)

Multuplying ( i i i ) (iii) by C s Cs and rearranging:

( i ) I ( s ) = C s V A ( s ) C E \color{#D61F06} (i) \ \color{#333333} \large \displaystyle I(s) = CsV_A(s) - CE

( i i ) I ( s ) = C s V B ( s ) \color{#D61F06} (ii) \ \color{#333333} \large \displaystyle I(s) = CsV_B(s)

( i i i ) L C s 2 I ( s ) = C s V L ( s ) + C E L C s \color{#D61F06} (iii) \ \color{#333333} \large \displaystyle LCs^2 I(s) = Cs V_L(s) + CE \sqrt{LC}s

Adding up the three equations and remembering that V A + V B + V L = 0 V_A+V_B+V_L= 0 , since we have a closed loop:

( L C s 2 + 2 ) I ( s ) = C E L C s C E \large \displaystyle (LCs^2+2) I(s) = CE \sqrt{LC}s - CE

I ( s ) = C E ( L C s L C s 2 + 2 1 L C s 2 + 2 ) \large \displaystyle I(s) = CE \left ( \frac{\sqrt{LC}s}{LCs^2+2} - \frac{1}{LCs^2+2} \right )

I ( s ) = C E ( 1 L C s s 2 + 2 L C 1 2 L C 2 L C s 2 + 2 L C ) \large \displaystyle I(s) = CE \left ( \frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}} \cdot \frac{s} {s^2+\frac{2}{LC}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{2LC}} \cdot \frac{ \sqrt{\frac{2}{LC}}} {s^2+\frac{2}{LC}} \right )

I ( s ) = C E 2 L C ( 2 s s 2 + 2 L C 2 L C s 2 + 2 L C ) \large \displaystyle I(s) = \frac{CE}{\sqrt{2LC}} \left ( \sqrt{2} \cdot \frac{s} {s^2+\frac{2}{LC}} - \frac{ \sqrt{\frac{2}{LC}}} {s^2+\frac{2}{LC}} \right )

So:

i ( t ) = C E 2 L C [ 2 cos ( 2 L C t ) sin ( 2 L C t ) ] \large \displaystyle i(t) = \frac{CE}{\sqrt{2LC}} \left [ \sqrt{2} \cos \left ( \sqrt{\frac{2}{LC}} t \right ) - \sin \left ( \sqrt{\frac{2}{LC}} t \right ) \right ]

Multiplying above and below by 3 \sqrt{3} :

i ( t ) = E 3 C 2 L [ 2 3 cos ( 2 L C t ) 1 3 sin ( 2 L C t ) ] \large \displaystyle i(t) = E \sqrt{\frac{3C}{2L}} \left [ \sqrt{\frac23} \cos \left ( \sqrt{\frac{2}{LC}} t \right ) - \sqrt{\frac13} \sin \left ( \sqrt{\frac{2}{LC}} t \right ) \right ]

Let ω = 2 L C \omega = \sqrt{\frac{2}{LC}} and ϕ \phi such that cos ( ϕ ) = 2 3 \cos(\phi) = \sqrt{\frac23} , we will also have sin ( ϕ ) = 1 3 \sin(\phi) = \sqrt{\frac13} . So:

i ( t ) = E 3 C 2 L [ cos ( ϕ ) cos ( ω t ) sin ( ϕ ) sin ( ω t ) ] \large \displaystyle i(t) = E \sqrt{\frac{3C}{2L}} \left [ \cos(\phi) \cos \left ( \omega t \right ) - \sin(\phi) \sin \left ( \omega t \right ) \right ]

i ( t ) = E 3 C 2 L cos ( ω t + ϕ ) \color{#20A900} \boxed{\large \displaystyle i(t) = E \sqrt{\frac{3C}{2L}} \cos(\omega t + \phi ) }

So:

I m a x = E 3 C 2 L γ = 3 , δ = 2 \color{#3D99F6} \large \displaystyle I_{max} = E \sqrt{\frac{3C}{2L}} \rightarrow \boxed{ \large \displaystyle \gamma = 3, \delta = 2 }

Thus:

α + β + γ + δ = 7 \color{#3D99F6} \boxed{ \large \displaystyle \alpha + \beta + \gamma + \delta = 7}

@Guilherme Niedu Sir Thanks for your solution through Laplace transformation, it will help me to understand how to solve this questions through Laplace.

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Thank you, my friend.

Guilherme Niedu - 1 year ago
Karan Chatrath
May 28, 2020

Several intermediate calculation and simplification steps in the solution below are left out.

When S 1 S_1 is closed, capacitor B is disconnected and the circuit equation reads:

E + Q A C + L I ˙ = 0 -E + \frac{Q_A}{C}+L\dot{I}=0 I = Q ˙ A I = \dot{Q}_A

Q A ( 0 ) = 0 Q_A(0)=0 I ( 0 ) = 0 I(0) = 0

Q ¨ A + Q A L C = E L \implies \ddot{Q}_A + \frac{Q_A}{LC}=\frac{E}{L}

The solution to the above equation after considering initial conditions comes out to be:

Q A = C E ( 1 cos ( t L C ) ) Q_A = CE\left(1-\cos\left(\frac{t}{\sqrt{LC}}\right)\right) I = Q ˙ A = C E L C cos ( t L C ) I = \dot{Q}_A = \frac{CE}{\sqrt{LC}}\cos\left(\frac{t}{\sqrt{LC}}\right)

It follows immediately that at t = π L C 2 t = \frac{\pi \sqrt{LC}}{2} :

Q A = C E Q_A = CE I = C E L C I = \frac{CE}{\sqrt{LC}}

α = 1 ; β = 1 \implies \boxed{\alpha = 1 \ ; \ \beta =1}

At this instant, the switch S 1 S_1 is opened and S 2 S_2 is closed. For this scenario let the charge on capacitor A be Q A Q_A and that on capacitor B B be Q B Q_B . Treating this instant as time t = 0 t=0 , the convention used here is that at a general time t t the current through the inductor flows upwards (as viewed in the given diagram) and capacitor A is discharging while B is charging. Keeping in mind, the circuit equation reads:

L I ˙ = Q A C Q B C ( 1 ) L\dot{I} = \frac{Q_A}{C}-\frac{Q_B}{C} \ \dots (1) I = Q ˙ A = Q ˙ B I = -\dot{Q}_A = \dot{Q}_B Q A ( 0 ) = C E Q_A(0) = CE Q B ( 0 ) = 0 Q_B(0) = 0 I ( 0 ) = C E L C I(0) = -\frac{CE}{\sqrt{LC}}

From (1): I ˙ ( 0 ) = E L \dot{I}(0) = \frac{E}{L}

Re-arranging to obtain and ODE governing the evolution of I I leads to:

I ¨ + ( 2 L C ) I = 0 \ddot{I}+\left(\frac{2}{LC}\right)I=0

Let:

ω 2 = 2 L C \omega^2 = \frac{2}{LC}

Solving the above equation and applying initial conditions gives:

I = C E 2 L C sin ( ω t ) C E L C cos ( ω t ) I = \frac{CE}{\sqrt{2LC}} \sin\left(\omega t\right) - \frac{CE}{\sqrt{LC}} \cos\left(\omega t\right)

Using a bit of trigonometry, the current amplitude can be computed. The value is:

I m a x = 3 C 2 L E I_{max} = \sqrt{\frac{3C}{2L}}E

γ = 3 ; δ = 2 \implies \boxed{\gamma = 3 \ ; \ \delta =2}

The required answer is: 7 \boxed{7} .

@Karan Chatrath Yeah ,very good solution.

@Karan Chatrath which tool you use for making the circuits showing inductor, resistor etc. Can i make them In mobile?

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I posted a report for your recent problem. I stand corrected. I think that the answer to that problem is not an integer. Please re-check.

As for diagrams, I use diagrams.net. It is freely available on the internet.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

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@Karan Chatrath Sir there is no need of charge, and the answer is an integer.

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@A Former Brilliant Member Yes, you are right that charge is not needed. But I think that the answer is not an integer. I have done it analytically and using code as well, so please check once more.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

@A Former Brilliant Member I stand corrected. I made a mistake in my work on that problem. I will delete my report soon. It was a nice problem.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

@Karan Chatrath I am planning to post a good mechanics problem, but not able to solve . Will you help me?
Thanks in advance
Please reply.

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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Sure, I will try

Karan Chatrath - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Karan Chatrath sir
Consider M = 1 M=1 g = 10 g=10 R = 1 R=1 μ = 0.5 \mu=0.5

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Is the mass released initially from rest? Also, what difficulty did you face while solving?

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@Karan Chatrath @Karan Chatrath sir yes it is freely released.

After writing equations I reached here
10 sin θ N 2 = θ ¨ 10 \sin \theta -\frac{N}{2}=\ddot\theta
N 10 cos θ = θ ˙ 2 N-10 \cos \theta = \dot \theta^{2}
One energy equation we can also write but we have to include work done by friction also which is I think bit difficut task .
Now from here guide me
Thanks in advance

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@A Former Brilliant Member I think you chose θ \theta as the angle to the vertical? Anyway, so eliminate N N from the equations and you will get:

θ ¨ + θ ˙ 2 2 = 5 ( 2 sin θ cos θ ) \ddot{\theta} + \frac{\dot{\theta}^2}{2} = 5\left(2 \sin{\theta} - \cos{\theta}\right)

Use the fact that:

θ ¨ = θ ˙ d θ ˙ d θ \ddot{\theta} = \dot{\theta} \frac{d\dot{\theta}}{d\theta}

θ ˙ d θ ˙ d θ + θ ˙ 2 2 = 5 ( 2 sin θ cos θ ) \implies \dot{\theta} \frac{d\dot{\theta}}{d\theta}+ \frac{\dot{\theta}^2}{2} = 5\left(2 \sin{\theta} - \cos{\theta}\right)

Multiplying both sides by e θ \mathrm{e}^{\theta} :

d d θ ( e θ θ ˙ 2 2 ) = 5 e θ ( 2 sin θ cos θ ) \implies \frac{d}{d\theta} \left(\mathrm{e}^{\theta} \frac{\dot{\theta}^2}{2}\right)=5 \mathrm{e}^{\theta} \ \left(2 \sin{\theta} - \cos{\theta}\right) ]

Integrate both sides and apply initial conditions. Finally, you should get: θ ˙ 2 2 = f ( θ ) \frac{\dot{\theta}^2}{2} = f(\theta)

Where f ( θ ) f(\theta) is some function. Notice that the LHS is the kinetic energy of the mass. The mass has initially zero KE. Plot this function and see at what time ( t > 0 t>0 ) the KE of the mass becomes zero, or solve it if you can.

I have not solved it myself so I don't know the answer. But this is how I would do it.

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@Karan Chatrath @Karan Chatrath sir i am getting this
e θ θ ˙ 2 2 = 5 2 e θ ( 3 cos θ sin θ ) 5 2 e π 2 \Large\frac{e^{\theta } \dot \theta^{2} }{2}=\frac{-5}{2}e^{\theta}(3\cos \theta-\sin \theta) -\frac{5}{2}e^{\frac{π}{2}}

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@A Former Brilliant Member Okay. So from here, you can get the form:

θ ˙ 2 2 = f ( θ ) \frac{\dot{\theta}^2}{2} = f(\theta)

Right?

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@Karan Chatrath @Karan Chatrath sir aapne bhi usko solve kiya hai kya??
Sir kyoki mai jab aage solve kar rha tha to mujhe θ = π 2 \theta=\frac{π}{2} pe block rukh rha tha
Jo thoda mujhe galat laga

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

@Karan Chatrath sir what happened?
Why you stopped replying?
I have added my work at very below.
Thanks in advance.

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

@Karan Chatrath I was making a problem but not able to solve?
Will you help me now?
Thanks in advance
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A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 1 week ago

@Karan Chatrath Sir I want to learn laplace transformation, but i am able to, guide me.
Consider me as your student and please guide from where should I study.
Thanks in advance.

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 1 week ago

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Follow this link

https://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/LaplaceIntro.aspx

Karan Chatrath - 11 months, 1 week ago

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@Karan Chatrath Sir samajh nhi aarha
Bahut koshish kar rha.
Kya karu aapke hisab se par mujhe padhna hihai??

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 1 week ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member According to me, it is useful knowledge. But whether you want to learn is up to you. I think it is quite well explained there. The laplace transform is simply an integral. Consider a function f ( t ) f(t) . Then its laplace transform is:

L ( f ( t ) ) = 0 e s t f ( t ) d t \mathcal{L}\left(f(t)\right) = \int_{0}^{\infty} \mathrm{e}^{-st} f(t) \ dt

The above is the main definition. So use this definition and try to compute the Laplace transform of f ( t ) = sin t f(t)=\sin{t} , f ( t ) = cos t f(t)=\cos{t} , f ( t ) = e t f(t)=\mathrm{e}^{t} and f ( t ) = t n f(t)=t^n . See what result you get for each function, and check your results by searching on the internet. The link I gave you is actually helpful. Skip to the part where the definition of the Laplace transform is given.

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@Karan Chatrath @Karan Chatrath is s s constant???

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 1 week ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Yes, treat the s s as a constant while integrating.

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@Karan Chatrath @Karan Chatrath Sir I am getting this
And not able to solve that last one t n t^{n}
When I am using online calculator, I am not getting that which I solved
Thanks in advance.

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@A Former Brilliant Member You have a definite integral with respect to t t and your results are in terms of t t . That is obviously wrong. Apply the limits of integration.

Karan Chatrath - 11 months, 1 week ago

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@Karan Chatrath @Karan Chatrath Oh sorry
Yes now I am getting everything correct!
But how to apply this in electricity problems.

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 1 week ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Read about solving differential equations using Laplace transform technique.

Karan Chatrath - 11 months ago

@Karan Chatrath here below what will be the charge as a function of time and heat dissipated bin the resistors
I have little bit forget the concept.

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Apply Kirchoff's law and solve the resulting differential equation. If you want you can show what result you get.

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