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Algebra Level 4

The integer roots of the equation x 2 + a x + b = 0 x^2+ax+b=0 are a a and b b .

What is the sum of all possible values of the expression a + a b + b a+ab+b ?


The answer is -3.

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From Vieta's Formulas, a = a + b -a = a + b and b = a b b = ab . We quickly get that either b = 0 a = 0 b = 0 \Rightarrow a = 0 or a = 1 b = 2 a = 1 \Rightarrow b= -2 .

This means that the sum of a + a b + b a + ab + b is 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 2 2 = 3. 0+0+0+1-2-2 = \boxed{-3.}

Your solution and answer are incorrect. Please fix your problem.

Sharky Kesa - 4 years, 4 months ago

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Please ellaborate why.

Guilherme Dela Corte - 4 years, 4 months ago

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Have you read my report?

Sharky Kesa - 4 years, 4 months ago

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@Sharky Kesa Oh, sorry. The report didn't post. :P

Now it's been posted, I recommend you read it.

Sharky Kesa - 4 years, 4 months ago

Shouldn't you tweak your solution so people don't keep falling in the same bear trap and answering correctly using an incorrect solution?

Sharky Kesa - 4 years, 3 months ago

I believe the answer to be correct. At least, that's what I got. Ed Gray

Edwin Gray - 2 years, 4 months ago

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The answer is correct, but for the wrong reasons.

Sharky Kesa - 2 years, 3 months ago
Sharky Kesa
Jan 22, 2017

Here is my proof, as well as links to the same problem, with different answers:

Links to the same problem: Just apply Vieta's and Troll Quadratic

Let f ( x ) = x 2 + a x + b f(x)=x^2 + ax + b . We have

f ( a ) = 2 a 2 + b = 0 f ( b ) = b 2 + a b + b = 0 b = 2 a 2 and b ( b + a + 1 ) = 0 2 a 2 ( 2 a 2 + a + 1 ) = 0 2 a 2 ( a 1 ) ( 2 a + 1 ) = 0 \begin{aligned} f(a) &= 2a^2+b &= 0\\ f(b) &= b^2 + ab + b &= 0\\ \Rightarrow b&=-2a^2 \text{ and } b(b+a+1) &= 0\\ \Rightarrow \quad & -2a^2 (-2a^2 + a + 1) &= 0\\ \Rightarrow \quad & 2a^2(a-1)(2a+1) &= 0 \end{aligned}

Thus, we have 3 solutions for a a , which are a = 1 2 , 0 , 1 a= - \frac {1}{2}, 0, 1 . From this, we get all solutions are

( a , b ) = ( 1 2 , 1 2 ) , ( 0 , 0 ) , ( 1 , 2 ) (a, b) = (-\dfrac{1}{2}, -\dfrac {1}{2}), (0, 0), (1, -2)

However, we must have these roots to be integers, so the a = b = 1 2 a=b=-\frac{1}{2} case is nulled, leaving us with an answer of 3 \boxed{-3} .

No ur wrong, brazilian answer is correct, u think u r too smart but u cant be

Topper Forever - 4 years, 3 months ago

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I'm sorry if you don't understand the flaw in Guilherme's solution. Vieta's doesn't always work, and he has already accepted he made a flaw. The method I have shown is the correct version.

Sharky Kesa - 4 years, 3 months ago

U have a far too long approach to a simple problem

Topper Forever - 4 years, 3 months ago

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I'm sorry if you don't understand the flaw in Guilherme's solution. Vieta's doesn't always work, and he has already accepted he made a flaw. The method I have shown is the correct version.

Sharky Kesa - 4 years, 3 months ago
Fahim Saikat
Jul 8, 2017

x 2 + a x + b ( x a ) ( x b ) = x 2 + ( a b ) x + a b x^2 + ax + b \equiv (x-a)(x-b) = x^2 + (-a-b)x+ab

therefore, a = a b a=-a-b and b = a b b=ab form these two equation , ( a , b ) = ( 0 , 0 ) (a,b)=(0,0) or, ( a , b ) = ( 1 , 2 ) (a,b)=(1,-2)

( a + a b + b ) = ( 0 + 0 + 0 ) + ( 1 + 1 × ( 2 ) + ( 2 ) ) = 3 \sum_{}(a+ab+b)=(0+0+0)+(1+1\times(-2)+(-2))=\boxed{-3}

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