Unequal charge and mass Attraction

Two spherical metal object A A and B B are placed outer in a very free space , of masses M A M_{A} and M B M_{B} and have charges Q A Q_{A} Q B Q_{B} and both have equal radius of R R .
The distance between centre of A A and B B is 3 3 .
Find the time taken by them to collide with each other.

Details and Assumptions
1) M A = 7 , M B = 11 M_{A}=7, M_{B}=11
2) Q A = 17 , Q B = 23 Q_{A}=17, Q_{B}=23
3) R = 1 R=1
4) G = 1 , ϵ 0 = 1 G=1, \epsilon_{0}=1

This problem is made by me and is dedicated to my teachers Steven Chase and Karan Chatrath on the account of Teachers Day.
So, Happy Teachers Day.


The answer is 1.21934.

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2 solutions

Karan Chatrath
Sep 5, 2020

Consider the mass M A M_A to have an x coordinate of x 1 x_1 and the mass M B M_B to have an x coordinate of x 2 x_2 .

The mass M A M_A has its centre initially located at the origin and the mass M B M_B has its centre located at the point (3,0).

Applying Newton's second law for each of the masses gives:

M A x ¨ 1 = G M A M B ( x 2 x 1 ) 2 + Q A Q B 4 π ( x 2 x 1 ) 2 M_A \ddot{x}_1 = \frac{GM_AM_B}{(x_2-x_1)^2} + \frac{Q_AQ_B}{4\pi(x_2-x_1)^2} M B x ¨ 2 = G M A M B ( x 2 x 1 ) 2 Q A Q B 4 π ( x 2 x 1 ) 2 M_B \ddot{x}_2 = -\frac{GM_AM_B}{(x_2-x_1)^2} - \frac{Q_AQ_B}{4\pi(x_2-x_1)^2}

Let:

x = x 2 x 1 x = x_2-x_1

Now, the equations of motion can be re-written as:

x ¨ 1 = M B x 2 Q A Q B 4 π M A x 2 \ddot{x}_1 =\frac{M_B}{x^2} - \frac{Q_AQ_B}{4\pi M_A x^2} x ¨ 2 = M A x 2 + Q A Q B 4 π M B x 2 \ddot{x}_2 =-\frac{M_A}{x^2} + \frac{Q_AQ_B}{4\pi M_B x^2}

Subtracting both these equations gives:

x ¨ 1 x ¨ 2 = [ M A + M B Q A Q B 4 π ( 1 M A + 1 M B ) ] 1 x 2 \ddot{x}_1-\ddot{x}_2=\left[M_A+M_B - \frac{Q_AQ_B}{4\pi}\left(\frac{1}{M_A} + \frac{1}{M_B}\right)\right] \frac{1}{x^2}

Let:

K = M A + M B Q A Q B 4 π ( 1 M A + 1 M B ) K = M_A+M_B - \frac{Q_AQ_B}{4\pi}\left(\frac{1}{M_A} + \frac{1}{M_B}\right)

The equation of motion simplifies to:

x ¨ = K x 2 \ddot{x} = \frac{K}{x^2} x ( 0 ) = 3 x(0) = 3 x ˙ ( 0 ) = 0 \dot{x}(0) = 0

The above equation can be re-arranged as such:

x ¨ = x ˙ d x ˙ d x = K x 2 \ddot{x} = \dot{x}\frac{d \dot{x}}{dx} = \frac{K}{x^2} x ˙ d x ˙ d x = K x 2 \implies \dot{x}\frac{d \dot{x}}{dx} = -\frac{K}{x^2}

An extra minus sign is introduced above as x decreases x ˙ \dot{x} increases. Separating variables and integrating:

x ˙ 2 = 2 K ( 1 x 1 3 ) \dot{x}^2 = 2K \left(\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{3}\right)

x ˙ = 2 K ( 1 x 1 3 ) \implies \dot{x} = - \sqrt{2K \left(\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{3}\right)}

Minus sign introduced here, for the same reason as stated above:

x ˙ = f ( x ) \implies \dot{x} = - f(x)

The particles collide at the instant when x = 2 x=2 . Separating the variables and integrating again gives:

2 3 d x f ( x ) = T 1.219334680392212 \boxed{\int_{2}^{3} \frac{dx}{f(x)} = T \approx 1.219334680392212}

Thank you for dedicating this problem to me

Karan Chatrath - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Karan Chatrath Thanks.
Please take a look in this problem

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

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I'll repeat what I said earlier. Show an attempt.

Start by thinking about what would cause the ring to rotate in the first place.

Karan Chatrath - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Karan Chatrath @Karan Chatrath Ok sir.Don't go
I am sharing my attempt within 10 min :)

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

@Karan Chatrath sorry for late.
I want to ask one thing
The flux due to big cylinder in that ring will be equal to, the the current in the ring, which will make flux??

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

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Sorry, I do not understand your question. You may ask it in hindi if that is convenient.

Karan Chatrath - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Karan Chatrath can we chat somewhere else, please
Brilliant feels me very tough for chatting.

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Talulah Riley @Karan Chatrath i am. Very simple guy.

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Talulah Riley I am sorry, but that is not possible. Be patient, convey your questions to me on this platform and I will do my best to answer them when I can. Again, please be patient.

Karan Chatrath - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Karan Chatrath @Karan Chatrath Again blocked ha ha :)
I think Brilliant has sponsored you to chat here only.
Ok wait let me convey my message in hindi.

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

@Karan Chatrath sir I have posted a discussion.

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago
Steven Chase
Sep 4, 2020

Nice one. This is a great exercise for practicing numerical simulation.

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import math

# Constants

dt = 10.0**(-6.0)

MA = 7.0
MB = 11.0

QA = 17.0
QB = 23.0

R = 1.0

G = 1.0
e0 = 1.0
k = 1.0/(4.0*math.pi*e0)

###################################

# Initialize simulation

t = 0.0

xA = 0.0
xB = 3.0

xAd = 0.0
xBd = 0.0

xAdd = 0.0
xBdd = 0.0

D = xB - xA

###################################

# Run simulation

while D >= 2.0*R:

    xA = xA + xAd*dt
    xB = xB + xBd*dt

    xAd = xAd + xAdd*dt
    xBd = xBd + xBdd*dt

    D = xB - xA

    Fg = G*MA*MB/(D**2.0)
    Fe = k*QA*QB/(D**2.0)

    FA = Fg - Fe
    FB = -Fg + Fe

    xAdd = FA/MA
    xBdd = FB/MB

    t = t + dt

###################################

# Print results

print dt
print t

#>>> 
#0.0001
#1.2196
#>>> ================================ RESTART ================================
#>>> 
#1e-05
#1.21936
#>>> ================================ RESTART ================================
#>>> 
#1e-06
#1.21933699999
#>>> 

@Steven Chase Thanks , you solved it before starting of Teachers day.
By the way, I solved it completely analytically.
The Code is very simple still it gives answer of such difficult problems

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

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How difficult was it to do by hand?

Steven Chase - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Steven Chase are you kidding me??

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Talulah Riley No, I am not

Steven Chase - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Steven Chase @Steven Chase Ok hmmm. It was more difficult than taking a reply of Good Morning from Steven sir.

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

Greetings @Steven Chase ! I do not consider myself a seasoned python user, but I attempted to solve the final integral in my posted solution using python. And for some reason, I am unable to spot why my result is not consistent as I vary the numerical resolution. Please let me know your thoughts on it. Here is my code:

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import math

MA = 7
MB = 11
QA = 17
QB = 23

PI = math.pi

K    = MA + MB - ((QA*QB)/(4*PI))*(1/MA + 1/MB)
Do = 3


dx = 10**(-5)

x  = 2
T  = 0

while x <= Do:

   P = (2*K*(1/x - 1/Do))**(-0.5)

   T = T + dx*P

   x = x + dx



print(T)

Karan Chatrath - 9 months, 1 week ago

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It looks like your integrand has a singularity at x = 3 x = 3 . Such singularities are very problematic for numerical methods. That's counter-intuitive, since the centers of the spheres never coincide.

Steven Chase - 9 months, 1 week ago

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Yes, I think this explains it. I re-ran the code by simulation till x = 3 ϵ x=3-\epsilon where ϵ \epsilon is a very small number (smaller than the time step), however, the inaccuracy still persists.

Karan Chatrath - 9 months, 1 week ago

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