A circular disk of radius R consists of two uniform halves of equal area with masses 3 2 M and 3 1 M . The disk is free to rotate on an axle through its geometric center.
Initially, the disk is at rest as shown on the left such that the half of mass 3 2 M is on top.
Suppose the disk is toppled by an extremely gentle nudge. At the instant the disk first reaches the orientation on the right, its angular speed can be expressed as follows:
ω = B π R A g .
If A and B are coprime positive integers, determine A + B .
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How can this works? I can't get it ,I use Lagrangian Mechanic to solve this but it takes longer.
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Well its basically energy conservation..... The more smarter and efficient approach. You learn this way before you learn this langragian stuff....though your solution is great.
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Oh I get it ! It is because potential energy equals to kinematics energy .
Okay, I will work through it 😂
I too solved it exactly the same way. The only problem was that I mistakenly calculated the MI as MR^2/4. Can u plz explain me how to do it?
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Its simply the MI of a disk with mass M with rotation axis passing through its CM.
How did u calc. The centre of mass
I m commiting some sort of mistake I m calculating com as 4r/6π pls clarify
Center of mass of a 'semicircular' disk is 4R/3π.
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Thanks! I have corrected the solution.
*Here, I would like to use Lagrangian Mechanic which is different method from @A E to solve, well this is a way much longer then @A E 's one. His solution really better than mine~ *
We can use Lagrangian equation d t d ( ∂ ω ∂ L ) = ∂ θ ∂ L only if the system moving by conservative force. In this problem, the system shall be effective within gravity force which is conservative.
Step 1:Find KE
First, consider KE of Lagrangian, we know every particle of the whole disk is turning at the same angular speed at the same time, ω.
So, KE seems like
K E = 2 1 ω 2 ∫ r 2 d M + 2 1 ω 2 ∫ r 2 d m
dM stands for the upper part and dm stands for the bottom part of the disk, consider it two have density 2 ρ and ρ
Which leads to
ρ = 2 1 π R 2 3 1 M = 3 π R 2 2 M
And so
d M = 2 ρ r d r d θ , d m = ρ r d r d θ
So
K E = 2 1 ω 2 ∫ r 2 ( 3 ρ r d r d θ ) = 2 3 ω 2 ρ ∫ 0 π ∫ 0 R r 3 d r d θ
Solve this, we get
K E = 8 3 π ρ ω 2 R 4 = 8 1 M R 2 ω 2
Step 2: Find PE
Consider θ = 0 at initial position and θ = π at target position, and also the zero potential plane is horizontal and pass through the centre of the disk.
Use integration as above, we can get
P E = 9 π 2 M g R c o s θ
Step 3: Write Lagrangian in form of L( θ , ω )
As we know, by using Lagrangian definition L = K E − P E , we get
L = 8 1 M R 2 ω 2 − 9 π 2 M g R c o s θ
Step 4: Compute Lagrangian Equation
By using angular form of Lagrangian Equation d t d ( ∂ ω ∂ L ) = ∂ θ ∂ L , we finally get
α = 9 π R 8 g s i n θ
Which α represent angular acceleration.
Last Step: Solve Differentiate Equation
As usual kinematic form, v d v = a d x , we can use angular form instead of this.
ω d ω = α d θ
Which lead us to
∫ ω d ω = ∫ α d θ
2 ω 2 = ∫ 0 π 9 π R 8 g s i n θ d θ
ω = ( 9 π R 3 2 g )
A = 3 2 , B = 9 , A + B = 4 1
One can equivalently solve using angular mechanics:
torque = (moment of inertia)*(angular acceleration)
torque depends on angle, but can be expressed as:
(moment arm) mass g*sin(theta),
where the moment arm is the distance to the center of mass of the half circle, and the mass is M/3.
this all yields:
theta'' = (8 g/9/Pi/R) sin(theta),
solved per your previous solution.
It's bit trickier if you want to express angular velocity as a function of time (rather than a function of angle). We have to define what "nudge" means. As the initial angular velocity approaches zero, one gets a series of lilts that become increasingly separated in time, given by a Jacobi elliptic function.
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Ya, this is also a way to approach the solution, solving angular velocity with time function is very hard, I like α d θ = ω d ω because it leads to easier solution. "Nudge" means a very small force that the value of it can be neglected but also give a initial movement to the disk. I think so~
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Here's a Mathematica script for calculating the time dependence:
(*general solution to ODE, with theta = 0 at t = 0:
eqn = D[D[theta[t], t], t] == ((8/9) g/R/Pi) Sin[theta[t]]
soln = DSolve[eqn, theta[t], t][[2]] /. C[2] -> 0
(* define nudge to be initial angular velocity omega0:
coeff = Solve[omega0 == D[theta[t],t]/.D[soln, t] /. {t -> 0}, C[1]][[1]]
omega = D[theta[t],t] /. D[soln /. coeff, t]
Plot[omega /. {R -> 1, g -> 1, omega0 -> 0.0003}, {t, 0, 100}]
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@Rel Dauts – Oh, that's good! Could I able to use C to program it?
Can you suggest me some sources for learning langragian mechanics?
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Sure, you can learn the proof of Lagrangian Equation at https://brilliant.org/wiki/lagrangian-formulation-of-mechanics/ and learn example at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2gX-ftPVXWK0GOFDi7FcmIMMhY_7fU9
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Thanks!!!!!!!!
Apply conservation of energy as work done by non conservative and external force is 0 . K.Ei +P.Ei = K.Ef + P.Ef THE CENTER OF MASS OF EACH SEMI CIRCULAR DISC IS AT A DISTANCE OF 4R/3π . P.Ei = (2M/3)(4R/3π)g + (M/3)(-4R/3π)g = (M/3)(4R/3π)g K.Ei=0 P.Ef = -P.Ei . K.Ef=( (1/2) (2M/3)R.R/2+ (1/2)(M/3)R.R/2 )ω.ω ON PUTTING THESE VALUES IN THE EQUATION WE GET ω = √ 32g/9πR .
I basically attempted the same approach,
Approximate the system by a system of 2 point masses of 2/3 M and 1/3M respectively each lying at 4R/3pi above and below the center respectively, connected by a rod of negligible mass. The moment of inertia of this system is given as : I = m1m2L^2 / (m1+m2).. (i) where L , the length of the rod = 2*4R / 3pi. In this system, the torque basically comes through the change in potential energy due to the masses interchanging position.
The net change in potential energy = 1/3M g h where h = 2*4R / 3pi.= length of the rod...[ii]
we now equate ii) to Rotational Kinetic Energy, which is 1/2 I w^2 where I is as defined in i)
But i seem to be going wrong somewhere. I am getting 8 in the numerator and 9 in the denominator.
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Sorry, i am getting the reverse, 9 in the numerator and 8 in the denominator
There is a mistake in calculating the MI. MI of whole disk is MR^2/2.
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D'ont we have to calculate Moment of Inertia about the center of mass ? Could we extend the concept of 2 connected masses to 2 connected objects with their moments of inertias by combining the moment of inertias of the semicircles about their centers of mass ?
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@Sundar R – You will have to apply parallel axis theorem ( stainer's equation ) . You cannot assume them to be point masses because unlike point masses they have moment of inertia about their center of mass . In that case you will have to shift the moment of inertia to the center of mass of the entire disc
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Centre of mass of a semicircular disk is 4R/3π.
Centre of mass of given system is 4R/9π.
Now using conservation of energy, ΔPE=ΔRKE. ( RKE stands for rotational kinetic energy)
8MgR/9π= 1/2 MR^2/2 w^2 (w is angular velocity)
w =√(32/9 g/πR)
A=32 B=9
A+B=41