Unusual series

Algebra Level 1

Define X n = X n 1 + X n 2 X_n=X_{n-1}+X_{n-2}

If X 1 = 5 5 X_1=5^5 and X 2 = 5 6 X_2=5^6

Find lim n X n + 1 X n \displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} \dfrac{X_{n+1}}{X_{n}}

π \pi ϕ \phi e e 2 2

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5 solutions

Trevor Arashiro
Sep 30, 2014

Believe it or not, not only the Fibonacci numbers produce the golden ratio. A L M O S T \huge{ALMOST} all number sequences defined by X n = X n 1 + X n 2 X_n=X_{n-1}+X_{n-2} will approach the golden ratio as lim n X n X n + 1 \displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} \dfrac{X_n}{X_{n+1}} assuming X 1 , X 2 > 0 X_1,X_2>0

But now for the proof. Assuming that this limit exists as some finite value P P , then we can state that.

X n = X n 1 + X n 2 X_n=X_{n-1}+X_{n-2}

X n X n 1 = X n 1 X n 2 = P \frac{X_n}{X_{n-1}}=\frac{X_{n-1}}{X_{n-2}}=P

X n 1 + X n 2 X n 1 = X n 1 X n 2 = P \frac{X_{n-1}+X_{n-2}}{X_{n-1}}=\frac{X_{n-1}}{X_{n-2}}=P

1 + X n 2 X n 1 = X n 1 X n 2 = P 1+\frac{X_{n-2}}{X_{n-1}}=\frac{X_{n-1}}{X_{n-2}}=P

1 + 1 P = P 1+\dfrac{1}{P}=P

0 = P 2 P 1 0=P^2-P-1

P = 1 ± 5 2 P=\dfrac{1\pm \sqrt5}{2}

P = ϕ P=\phi

You set P = X n X n 1 = X n 1 X n 2 P = \frac{X_n}{X_{n - 1}} = \frac{X_{n - 1}}{X_{n - 2}} , but you ask about lim n X n X n + 1 . \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{X_n}{X_{n + 1}}. This limit is actually 1 / ϕ 1/\phi .

Jon Haussmann - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Jon Haussmann I have edited the question accordingly.

Trevor B. - 6 years, 8 months ago

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It still says X n X n + 1 \frac{X_n}{X_{n+1}} , but you actually mean X n X n 1 \frac{X_n}{X_{n-1}}

Ariel Gershon - 6 years, 8 months ago

Note: The initial claim is not true.

It is possible for the ratio to converge to 1 5 2 \frac{ 1 - \sqrt{5} } { 2} , as opposed to 1 + 5 2 \frac { 1 + \sqrt{5} } { 2} .

This only happens in the unique case where X 2 X 1 = 1 5 2 \frac{ X_2} {X_1} = \frac{ 1 - \sqrt{5} } { 2} . Do you see why?

Hence, the initial starting values are important!

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Are you talking about if n becomes negative?, because 1 5 1-\sqrt5 is negative

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 8 months ago

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No. Let α = 1 5 2 \alpha = \frac{ 1 - \sqrt{5} } { 2} . Consider the linear recurrence with starting values x 1 = α , x 2 = α 2 x_ 1 = \alpha, x_ 2 = \alpha^2 that satisfies x n = x n 1 + x n 2 x_n = x_{n-1} + x_{n-2} .

What is lim n x n + 1 x n ? \displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty } \frac{ x_{n+1} } { x_n} ?

Your solution states that "All number sequences" will have a limit of ϕ \phi . However, in this case, it is clear to see that x n = α n x_n = \alpha ^n , and hence the limit of the ratio is α \alpha and not ϕ \phi .

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Calvin Lin How is X n = α n X_n=\alpha ^n . And if X 1 = α X_1=\alpha and X 2 = α 2 X_2=\alpha ^2 and X n = X n 1 + X n 2 X_n=X_{n-1}+X_{n-2} :

a + a 2 a+a^2

( a + a 2 ) + a 2 = a + 2 a 2 (a+a^2)+a^2=a+2a^2

( a + 2 a 2 ) + ( a + a 2 ) = 2 a + 3 a 2 (a+2a^2)+(a+a^2)=2a+3a^2

( 2 a + 3 a 2 ) + ( a + 2 a 2 ) = 3 a + 5 a 2 (2a+3a^2)+(a+2a^2)=3a+5a^2

( 3 a + 5 a 2 ) + ( 2 a + 3 a 2 ) = 5 a + 8 a 2 (3a+5a^2)+(2a+3a^2)=5a+8a^2

The coefficients are following the Fibonacci sequence. Thus we can see as an example that the fraction will become a ( 55 + 89 a ) a ( 34 + 55 a ) \frac{a(55+89a)}{a(34+55a)} which Approaches the golden as x gets larger but is still quite close when a=1

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Trevor Arashiro Since α \alpha is a root of x 2 = x + 1 x^2 = x + 1 , this tells us that α 2 = α + 1 \alpha^2 = \alpha + 1 .

Hence, x 2 + x 1 = α 2 + α = α 3 = x 3 x_2 + x_1 = \alpha^2 + \alpha = \alpha^3 = x_3 .

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 8 months ago

For sake of precision, I think that the second line of your proof should be prefaced by saying something like "assuming that the limit in question exists and has some finite value P P , then we can state that", and then have the second line wriiten as

lim n ( X n X n 1 ) = lim n ( X n 1 X n 2 ) = P \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (\frac{X_{n}}{X_{n-1}}) = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (\frac{X_{n-1}}{X_{n-2}}) = P .

The third and fourth lines would also need to have " lim n \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} " placed before the fractions.

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 8 months ago

hi , i would like help on how i could post a problem on brilliant which is currently above the level i am on brilliant is it possible

PRAKHAR GUPTA - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Unfortunately, you can't do that. However, if a problem is deemed hard enough by a moderator or has a low %correct answers and a low % or attempts, the level can go above your current level.

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Thanks !!! then i might as well try to improve my level

PRAKHAR GUPTA - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Prakhar Gupta Don't worry too much about setting the "wrong" initial level. The level of the problem will adjust accordingly.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Calvin Lin okay , thanks a lot

PRAKHAR GUPTA - 6 years, 8 months ago

I want to know about Golden ratio, all its properties, uses and applications. Can someone give me any such link ? @Calvin Lin @Trevor Arashiro

Sandeep Bhardwaj - 6 years, 8 months ago
Yang Cheng
Oct 12, 2014

X n + 1 X n = X n + X n 1 X n = 1 + X n 1 X n = 1 + 1 X n X n 1 = 1 + 1 X n 1 + X n 2 X n 1 = 1 + 1 1 + X n 1 X n 2 = 1 + 1 1 + 1 1 + \cfrac{X_{n+1}}{X_n} \\ =\cfrac{X_n+X_{n-1}}{X_n} \\ =1+\cfrac{X_{n-1}}{X_n} \\ =1+\cfrac{1}{\quad \cfrac {X_n}{X_{n-1}} \quad} \\ =1+\cfrac{1}{\quad\cfrac{X_{n-1}+X_{n-2}}{X_{n-1}}}\\ =1+\cfrac{1}{1+\cfrac{X_{n-1}}{X_{n-2}}}\\ =1+\cfrac{1}{1+\cfrac{1}{1+ \ddots}}

L e t A = 1 + 1 1 + 1 1 + A 1 = 1 1 + 1 1 + 1 A 1 = 1 + 1 1 + = A A 2 A 1 = 0 A = 5 + 1 2 = ϕ Let A=1+\cfrac{1}{1+\cfrac{1}{1+ \ddots}}\\ A-1=\cfrac{1}{1+\cfrac{1}{1+ \ddots}}\\ \cfrac{1}{A-1}=1+\cfrac{1}{1+ \ddots}=A\\ A^2-A-1=0\\ A=\cfrac{\sqrt{5}+1}{2}=\phi

Ariel Gershon
Oct 3, 2014

It's easy to show, by induction, that there exist constants c 1 , c 2 R c_1, c_2 \in \mathbb{R} such that X n = c 1 ϕ n + c 2 ϕ ˉ n X_n = c_1 \phi^n + c_2 \bar{\phi}^n for all n N n \in \mathbb{N} , where ϕ = 1 + 5 2 \phi = \frac{1 + \sqrt{5}}{2} and ϕ ˉ = 1 5 2 \bar{\phi} = \frac{1 - \sqrt{5}}{2} . (This is a well-known theorem; I didn't just come up with it :P). Therefore,

lim n X n + 1 X n = lim n c 1 ϕ n + 1 + c 2 ϕ ˉ n + 1 c 1 ϕ n + c 2 ϕ ˉ n \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{X_{n+1}}{X_n} = \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{ c_1 \phi^{n+1} + c_2 \bar{\phi}^{n+1}}{ c_1 \phi^n + c_2 \bar{\phi}^n} = lim n ( c 1 ϕ n + 1 + c 2 ϕ ˉ n ϕ ) + ( c 2 ϕ ˉ n + 1 c 2 ϕ ˉ n ϕ ) c 1 ϕ n + c 2 ϕ ˉ n = \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{\left(c_1 \phi^{n+1} + c_2 \bar{\phi}^{n} \phi\right) + \left( c_2 \bar{\phi}^{n+1} - c_2 \bar{\phi}^{n} \phi\right)}{ c_1 \phi^n + c_2 \bar{\phi}^n} = ϕ + lim n c 2 ϕ ˉ n ( ϕ ˉ ϕ ) c 1 ϕ n + c 2 ϕ ˉ n = ϕ + lim n c 2 ϕ ˉ n 5 X n = \phi + \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{c_2 \bar{\phi}^{n} \left(\bar{\phi} - \phi \right)}{ c_1 \phi^n + c_2 \bar{\phi}^n} = \phi + \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{-c_2 \bar{\phi}^{n} \sqrt{5}}{ X_n}

Now let's consider the remaining limit. In the numerator we have a constant times ϕ ˉ n \bar{\phi}^n . Since 1 < ϕ ˉ < 0 -1 < \bar{\phi} < 0 , this means the numerator approaches zero. Now the denominator is X n X_n . By induction, we can show that X n X_n is always a natural number and strictly increasing, and therefore goes to infinity. Hence, the limit is of the form 0 \frac{0}{\infty} , so it equals 0 0 .

Therefore,

lim n X n + 1 X n = ϕ \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{X_{n+1}}{X_n} = \boxed{\phi}

Indeed. Note that you have to be careful that c 1 0 c_1 \neq 0 , because otherwise the ratio would be ϕ ˉ \bar{\phi} , as pointed out in my comment on @Trevor Arashiro 's solution.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 8 months ago
Arnab Mondal
Oct 6, 2014

Leave all the mathematical works alone ,.......Basically if any sequence is formed by adding its previous terms , then the sequence term ratio Converges to the "Golden ratio " irrespective of the starting numbers

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=719045918175887&set=a.331274213619728.79067.100002114550242&type=1

Not all such sequences converge to the golden ratio. Take 1,0,... as an example.

Shourya Pandey - 5 years, 4 months ago
Rohit Sachdeva
Oct 5, 2014

Although the value of limit can be computed as ∅

But lets take it another way for the given set of options:

l i m n X n + 1 / X n lim_{n→∞} X_{n+1}/X_{n}

= l i m n ( X n + X n 1 ) / X n =lim_{n→∞} (X_{n}+X_{n-1})/X_{n}

= l i m n 1 + ( X n 1 / X n ) =lim_{n→∞} 1+(X_{n-1}/X_{n})

= 1 + ( < 1 ) =1+(<1)

< 2 <2

So out of the options only ∅ satisfies this condition!

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