Define X n = X n − 1 + X n − 2
If X 1 = 5 5 and X 2 = 5 6
Find n → ∞ lim X n X n + 1
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You set P = X n − 1 X n = X n − 2 X n − 1 , but you ask about n → ∞ lim X n + 1 X n . This limit is actually 1 / ϕ .
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@Jon Haussmann I have edited the question accordingly.
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It still says X n + 1 X n , but you actually mean X n − 1 X n
Note: The initial claim is not true.
It is possible for the ratio to converge to 2 1 − 5 , as opposed to 2 1 + 5 .
This only happens in the unique case where X 1 X 2 = 2 1 − 5 . Do you see why?
Hence, the initial starting values are important!
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Are you talking about if n becomes negative?, because 1 − 5 is negative
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No. Let α = 2 1 − 5 . Consider the linear recurrence with starting values x 1 = α , x 2 = α 2 that satisfies x n = x n − 1 + x n − 2 .
What is n → ∞ lim x n x n + 1 ?
Your solution states that "All number sequences" will have a limit of ϕ . However, in this case, it is clear to see that x n = α n , and hence the limit of the ratio is α and not ϕ .
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@Calvin Lin – How is X n = α n . And if X 1 = α and X 2 = α 2 and X n = X n − 1 + X n − 2 :
a + a 2
( a + a 2 ) + a 2 = a + 2 a 2
( a + 2 a 2 ) + ( a + a 2 ) = 2 a + 3 a 2
( 2 a + 3 a 2 ) + ( a + 2 a 2 ) = 3 a + 5 a 2
( 3 a + 5 a 2 ) + ( 2 a + 3 a 2 ) = 5 a + 8 a 2
The coefficients are following the Fibonacci sequence. Thus we can see as an example that the fraction will become a ( 3 4 + 5 5 a ) a ( 5 5 + 8 9 a ) which Approaches the golden as x gets larger but is still quite close when a=1
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@Trevor Arashiro – Since α is a root of x 2 = x + 1 , this tells us that α 2 = α + 1 .
Hence, x 2 + x 1 = α 2 + α = α 3 = x 3 .
For sake of precision, I think that the second line of your proof should be prefaced by saying something like "assuming that the limit in question exists and has some finite value P , then we can state that", and then have the second line wriiten as
lim n → ∞ ( X n − 1 X n ) = lim n → ∞ ( X n − 2 X n − 1 ) = P .
The third and fourth lines would also need to have " lim n → ∞ " placed before the fractions.
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@Prakhar Gupta – Don't worry too much about setting the "wrong" initial level. The level of the problem will adjust accordingly.
I want to know about Golden ratio, all its properties, uses and applications. Can someone give me any such link ? @Calvin Lin @Trevor Arashiro
X n X n + 1 = X n X n + X n − 1 = 1 + X n X n − 1 = 1 + X n − 1 X n 1 = 1 + X n − 1 X n − 1 + X n − 2 1 = 1 + 1 + X n − 2 X n − 1 1 = 1 + 1 + 1 + ⋱ 1 1
L e t A = 1 + 1 + 1 + ⋱ 1 1 A − 1 = 1 + 1 + ⋱ 1 1 A − 1 1 = 1 + 1 + ⋱ 1 = A A 2 − A − 1 = 0 A = 2 5 + 1 = ϕ
It's easy to show, by induction, that there exist constants c 1 , c 2 ∈ R such that X n = c 1 ϕ n + c 2 ϕ ˉ n for all n ∈ N , where ϕ = 2 1 + 5 and ϕ ˉ = 2 1 − 5 . (This is a well-known theorem; I didn't just come up with it :P). Therefore,
n → ∞ lim X n X n + 1 = n → ∞ lim c 1 ϕ n + c 2 ϕ ˉ n c 1 ϕ n + 1 + c 2 ϕ ˉ n + 1 = n → ∞ lim c 1 ϕ n + c 2 ϕ ˉ n ( c 1 ϕ n + 1 + c 2 ϕ ˉ n ϕ ) + ( c 2 ϕ ˉ n + 1 − c 2 ϕ ˉ n ϕ ) = ϕ + n → ∞ lim c 1 ϕ n + c 2 ϕ ˉ n c 2 ϕ ˉ n ( ϕ ˉ − ϕ ) = ϕ + n → ∞ lim X n − c 2 ϕ ˉ n 5
Now let's consider the remaining limit. In the numerator we have a constant times ϕ ˉ n . Since − 1 < ϕ ˉ < 0 , this means the numerator approaches zero. Now the denominator is X n . By induction, we can show that X n is always a natural number and strictly increasing, and therefore goes to infinity. Hence, the limit is of the form ∞ 0 , so it equals 0 .
Therefore,
n → ∞ lim X n X n + 1 = ϕ
Indeed. Note that you have to be careful that c 1 = 0 , because otherwise the ratio would be ϕ ˉ , as pointed out in my comment on @Trevor Arashiro 's solution.
Leave all the mathematical works alone ,.......Basically if any sequence is formed by adding its previous terms , then the sequence term ratio Converges to the "Golden ratio " irrespective of the starting numbers
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Not all such sequences converge to the golden ratio. Take 1,0,... as an example.
Although the value of limit can be computed as ∅
But lets take it another way for the given set of options:
l i m n → ∞ X n + 1 / X n
= l i m n → ∞ ( X n + X n − 1 ) / X n
= l i m n → ∞ 1 + ( X n − 1 / X n )
= 1 + ( < 1 )
< 2
So out of the options only ∅ satisfies this condition!
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Believe it or not, not only the Fibonacci numbers produce the golden ratio. A L M O S T all number sequences defined by X n = X n − 1 + X n − 2 will approach the golden ratio as n → ∞ lim X n + 1 X n assuming X 1 , X 2 > 0
But now for the proof. Assuming that this limit exists as some finite value P , then we can state that.
X n = X n − 1 + X n − 2
X n − 1 X n = X n − 2 X n − 1 = P
X n − 1 X n − 1 + X n − 2 = X n − 2 X n − 1 = P
1 + X n − 1 X n − 2 = X n − 2 X n − 1 = P
1 + P 1 = P
0 = P 2 − P − 1
P = 2 1 ± 5
P = ϕ