If f is a continuous function and f ( x y ) = f ( x ) + f ( y ) for all x , y ∈ R − { 0 } , find the value of f ( 2 ) f ( 8 ) .
Bonus: Find the general form of f ( x ) if f ( 1 0 ) = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 .
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Did the same way... I couldn't find a way to find f(x) yet but it appears to be of the form lo g a x where ′ a ′ can be fixed using condition on f ( 1 0 ) and the reason why answer is coming out to be a constant is because lo g 2 l o g 8 = 3 irrespective of base( allowed one ). What say ?
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I have shown a general form above in my solution.
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Well done...... (+1)... But could we assume f(x) to be differentiable ?
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@Rishabh Jain – I'm not sure. That's why I was a little bit uncertain with my solution.
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@Sam Bealing – f ( x ) = k lo g a x sounds possible, because it satisfies the property f ( x y ) = f ( x ) + f ( y ) , but I don't think this is the answer, because the function has to be defined for all real values of x and y
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@Hung Woei Neoh – We can have f ( x ) = k lo g ∣ x ∣ . It satisfies f ( x y ) = f ( x ) + f ( y ) for all x , y ∈ R − { 0 }
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@Pranshu Gaba – Well, there's this one teeny tiny value getting in our way though, but yeah, I did thought of that.
I've been wondering, is there any function that would satisfy this for all values inclusive of 0 ?
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@Hung Woei Neoh – I have been thinking about it too. The only function I could think of is the constant function, f ( x ) = 0 . But then, it does not satisfy f ( 1 0 ) = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 .
I feel that no function exists that satisfies all the requirements, but I don't know how to prove it.
Putting y = x Putting y = x 2 Putting x = 2 f ( x y ) ⟹ f ( x ⋅ x ) f ( x 2 ) ⟹ f ( x ⋅ x 2 ) f ( x 3 ) ⟹ f ( 2 3 ) f ( 8 ) ⟹ f ( 2 ) f ( 8 ) = f ( x ) + f ( y ) = f ( x ) + f ( x ) = 2 f ( x ) = f ( x ) + f ( x 2 ) = 3 f ( x ) = 3 f ( 2 ) = 3 f ( 2 ) = 3
Now, we note that:
f ( x ⋅ 1 ) ⟹ f ( 1 ) f ( x ) f ( x 2 ) f ( x 3 ) . . . ⟹ f ( x n ) ⟹ f ( x ) f ( 1 0 ) ⟹ lo g a 1 0 lo g 1 0 a ⟹ f ( x ) ⟹ f ( x ) = f ( x ) + f ( 1 ) = 0 = f ( x ) = 2 f ( x ) = 3 f ( x ) . . . = n f ( x ) = lo g a x ⟹ f ( 1 ) = lo g a 1 = 0 , f ( x n ) = lo g a x n = n lo g a x = n f ( x ) = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 = lo g a x = lo g 1 0 a lo g 1 0 x = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 lo g 1 0 x
Hi, your f ( x ) does not work for non-positive values of x
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You can make it arbitrarily close to being continuous with a few minor tweaks. f(x)=123456789log( |x-a|+a) where a ~ 0.
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Wouldn't it be easier to just use f ( x ) = k lo g a ∣ x ∣ for this case? It is continuous for all values of x except x = 0 . But then again, a report has been submitted stating that the problem has no answer if the functional equation is satisfied by x = 0
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@Hung Woei Neoh – Yes, it would, but then it wouldn't be continuous. Although simply using |x| provides more accurate answers, as with |x-a| +a, the value is only accurate when |x| > a. Either way, the question itself is invalid.
Ah, a typo: f ( x 3 ) = 3 f ( x )
f ( 8 ) = f ( 4 × 2 ) = f ( 4 ) + f ( 2 ) = f ( 2 × 2 ) + f ( 2 ) = f ( 2 ) + f ( 2 ) + f ( 2 ) = 3 f ( 2 )
Therefore, f ( 2 ) f ( 8 ) = f ( 2 ) 3 f ( 2 ) = 3
Bonus question:
Notice that f ( x y ) = f ( x ) + f ( y ) is the same as the logarithmic property lo g a x y = lo g a x + lo g a y
Therefore, we can say that
f ( x ) = k lo g a x
However, note that this is only defined for positive real values of x , that is, x > 0
To allow f ( x ) to be defined for negative numbers as well, we can add in the absolute value function:
f ( x ) = k lo g a ∣ x ∣
where k , a are constants that satisfy a > 0 , a = 1 and k lo g a 1 0 = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ⟹ a 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 = 1 0 k . There are many possible ordered pairs of ( k , a ) that satisfy this, and this function is defined for all real values x except x = 0 , as required from the question
(Note: A better proof is provided in Sam's solution above)
f(8)=f(4x2)=f(4)+f(2) ............... (1)
f(4)=f(2x2)=f(2)+f(2)=2f(4) ................ (2)
from (1) and (2) f(8)=3f(2) then f ( 2 ) f ( 8 ) = f ( 2 ) 3 ∗ f ( 2 ) = 3
Typo: 2 f ( 2 ) .......(2)
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Setting x = y = 2 gives
f ( 2 × 2 ) = f ( 2 ) + f ( 2 ) ⟹ f ( 4 ) = 2 f ( 2 )
Setting x = 4 , y = 2 gives:
f ( 4 × 2 ) = f ( 4 ) + f ( 2 ) ⟹ f ( 8 ) = f ( 4 ) + f ( 2 )
Combing thus with the above result gives:
f ( 8 ) = 2 f ( 2 ) + f ( 2 ) = 3 f ( 2 )
f ( 2 ) f ( 8 ) = f ( 2 ) 3 f ( 2 ) = 3
For a general solution , I think you can do the following:
Differentiate with respect to x and y to yield the following two equations:
y f ′ ( x y ) x f ′ ( x y ) = f ′ ( x ) ⟹ f ′ ( x y ) = y f ′ ( x ) = f ′ ( y ) ⟹ f ′ ( x y ) = x f ′ ( y )
Combining the two results gives:
x f ′ ( y ) = y f ′ ( x ) ⟹ x f ′ ( x ) = y f ′ ( y ) = k For some constant k
The result follows because x , y can take any real values so hence x f ′ ( x ) must be a constant.
x f ′ ( x ) = k ⟹ f ′ ( x ) = x k ⟹ f ( x ) = k ln x + c
Putting this result back into the original equation gives:
k ln x y + c = k ln x + c + k ln y + c ⟹ 2 c = c ⟹ c = 0
This means the general solution is f ( x ) = k ln ∣ x ∣ which can also be expressed in the form f ( x ) = lo g a ∣ x ∣ .