Warm up problem 21: triangle area medium

Geometry Level 3

Triangle XYZ has all integer side lengths and is inscribed in a circle of radius 12.5 and has side x=7, and side y=15. Find the area of triangle XYZ.


The answer is 42.

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Feel free to draw a diagram as you read along .......

Using a diameter A B AB as a base, in each hemisphere inscribe a 15 / 20 / 25 15/20/25 right triangle so that the two triangles taken together form a kite.

Now the second diagonal of this kite will have length 24 24 , (as it cuts the other diagonal, a diameter, in a 2 : 1 2:1 ratio). Let this length 24 24 diagonal be C D CD , labeled so that A C = A D = 15 AC = AD = 15 and B C = B D = 20 BC = BD = 20 .

Now draw a diameter from C C to a point E E . Then Δ C D E \Delta CDE will be a 7 / 24 / 25 7/24/25 right triangle with D E = 7 DE = 7 . Now with A E C B AE || CB , (as A E = C B = 20 AE = CB = 20 and have endpoints at opposite ends of diameter C E CE ), we must have E B = A C = 15 EB = AC = 15 . Then, given that B D = 20 BD = 20 , we have that Δ B E D \Delta BED is an inscribed triangle with sides of lengths 7 , 15 7, 15 and 20 20 , i.e., we have constructed the desired Δ X Y Z \Delta XYZ .

Now we just need to apply Heron's formula to find this triangle's area. With

s = 7 + 15 + 20 2 = 21 s = \dfrac{7 + 15 + 20}{2} = 21

we have that the area is

21 ( 21 7 ) ( 21 15 ) ( 21 20 ) = 21 14 6 = 7 2 3 2 2 2 = 42 \sqrt{21*(21 - 7)*(21 - 15)*(21 - 20)} = \sqrt{21*14*6} = \sqrt{7^{2}*3^{2}*2^{2}} = \boxed{42} ,

the ultimate answer to everything. :)

Trevor Arashiro
Nov 11, 2014

For now if no solutions are posted, refer to the third problem on this wiki under the section "Heron's formula"

@Trevor Arashiro : The solution to the third problem in Area of Triangles is not complete. The triangle with side lengths 14, 30, and 88/5 also has a circumradius 25. (This means that this problem also has a second possible answer, although it is not an integer.)

So, the wiki entry should be fixed. There are also some minor algebraic errors. For example, you get to the equation 25 z 4 47744 z 2 12390400 = 0 25z^4 - 47744z^2 - 12390400 = 0 at the end, but z = 40 z = 40 does not satisfy this equation.

Jon Haussmann - 6 years, 7 months ago

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sorry about that. I kinda rushed it. I'll make sure to be careful from now on.

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 7 months ago

Ah, found my error, I factored out a negative from somewhere and forgot to do it on the other side

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 7 months ago

This is a great question, Trevor, as there are so many ways to go about solving it, (even using vectors in one of them). I haven't found one using calculus, though. :)

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 7 months ago

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Thanks! There are several geometric ways that I found to solving it. using Heron's was one, law of sines was the other, and then you could use law of co-sines, but it's a major bash.

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 7 months ago

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Yeah, I first found the length of the third side using the Cosine Law, but figured with all the Pythagorean numbers flying around there had to be a 'cleaner' geometry approach.

There is another inscribed triangle with sides length 7 7 and 15 15 but the third side in non-integral, (about 8.8 8.8 ). This one has an acute angle between the two integral sides. This gets me thinking about other questions one could post concerning integer-sided inscribed triangles ......

For example, how many distinct integer-sided triangles can be inscribed in a circle of diameter 25 25 ? How many Heronian triangles ? And then I wonder, "Why do I ask myself these questions?" :)

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 7 months ago

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@Brian Charlesworth HAHAHA, I ask my self the same question, like, when I'm bored and I see something that I can make a problem out of: exg, whats the probability that I'm not sitting next to this guy but I'm still sitting next to my best friend? Then I realize that the chances are 0 because the teacher will never assign our seats together because we talk too much XD,

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 7 months ago

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@Trevor Arashiro Well that brings back memories; I'm sure there were a few teachers/professors of mine who wished they had the option of re-assigning my seat. (I suppose they did have the option, but were willing to cut me some slack since I was a good student.)

As for always dreaming up new questions, it's just how our brains are wired. It's like an addiction; if you were to try and refrain from thinking this way you would get agitated and start suffering from withdrawal symptoms. However, as far as addictions go it's pretty harmless, so might as well put the compulsion to good use. :)

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 7 months ago

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