If x and y are real numbers such that
( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − x ) ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 − y ) = 2 0 1 3 ,
then what is the value of x + y ?
This section requires Javascript.
You are seeing this because something didn't load right. We suggest you, (a) try
refreshing the page, (b) enabling javascript if it is disabled on your browser and,
finally, (c)
loading the
non-javascript version of this page
. We're sorry about the hassle.
Haha didn't know it was like that I just tried 0 because x and y were able to be cancelled and then comes the square root of 2013 multiplied by itself again will render 2013 haha.
Actually, another problem which was really similar to this one was on a maths competition I attended to.That is where I got the idea .I was thinking ... Can the problem be generalized and instead of 2013 we can plug some arbitrary other value?
Log in to reply
I agree, this is a very cool problem and a very cool solution. It's a shame it can be "cheesed" by easily observing ( 0 , 0 ) is a solution because of the repeated 2 0 1 3 ’s on the LHS.
Log in to reply
Well, maybe you can say that x and y are nonzero
That's exactly how I did it ;)
Log in to reply
@Minimario Minimario – I is proud of it now, Minimario :O
By the way, the proof you posted was great!
Bogdan, could give me/us more information about the competition you went to?
For β ∈ R , ( x 2 + β − x ) ( y 2 + β − y ) = β will always result in x + y = 0 .
Log in to reply
The competition is called IMAS, which is short for International Mathematics Assessment for Schools.The first round consists of 25 problems for 75 minutes. The last problem of this year's first round for my age was the one this problem was inspired by. If you want any additional information, I think they have a website.
Great solution, though I suggest using \dfrac{a}{b} to show large fractions. It looks much clearer. E.g. d e f − 2 1 a b c :)
Log in to reply
It becomes too big :O
Log in to reply
Haha! I suppose it does when there're multiple fractions but if the numerator/denominator fits on one line each, it makes it easier to read. y = 2 x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − 2 x x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − 2 x x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x 2 − 2 0 1 3 compared to y = 2 x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − 2 x x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − 2 x x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x 2 − 2 0 1 3 . Or perhaps my eyesight is just pretty poor... 8-)
Wow, great proof
awsome proof............
great
wow
cool :o
I just use diophantine equalities and get that x could be 1006 and y could be = -1006 which we got x= -y
Log in to reply
But couldn't also x = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 and y = − 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ? My calculator says so.
Log in to reply
Yes sir.. as long as x= -y we could enter any number of x or y
by observe the given equation we can say x=y,from this we can calculate as x=0
Log in to reply
or breakdown 2013 into 61*33 and compare you get x = 14 and y = -14 , hence x+y = 0
Log in to reply
What if instead of 2 0 1 3 , we had 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 4 5 6 1 2 3 ? How would you break it down?
What if we put up x = 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 and y = − 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 ? Wouldn't it also be right?
EDIT: Thanks Bogdan! :D
just break up the square roots and cancel the ones for the x^2 and y^2 then you are left with square of 2013 in both brackets multiply both of them you would get 2013 this suggests that 0 would be the most accurate answer
good ,but lengthy... i think as we can easily see that x=y=0 fits the bill, its better not to toil..
Log in to reply
What if the problem stated precisely x = y = 0 ?
What would you do?
( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − x ) ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 − y ) = 2 0 1 3 ........(i)
⟹ ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x ) ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 + y ) ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − x ) ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x ) ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 − y ) ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 + y ) = 2 0 1 3
⟹ ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x ) ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 + y ) ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − x 2 ) ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 − y 2 ) = 2 0 1 3
⟹ ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x ) ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 + y ) 2 0 1 3 × 2 0 1 3 = 2 0 1 3
⟹ ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x ) ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 + y ) = 2 0 1 3 .......(ii)
From the equations (i) and (ii), we get-----
( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − x ) ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 − y ) = ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x ) ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 + y )
We see that x = 0 and y = 0 satisfy this equation, so x = 0 , y = 0
Now, x + y = 0 + 0 = 0
Something went wrong among your way!
x = y = 0 are not the only solutions. Try plugging in x = 1 and y = − 1 , right from the start. Doesn't it stay true?
Log in to reply
Yes, I didn't say that x = 0 and y = 0 are the only solutions. I just told that we can see that they are one of the solutions and so we can find x + y = 0 + 0 = 0 . Even if you take x = 1 and y = ( − 1 ) , then also we get, x + y = 1 + ( − 1 ) = 1 − 1 = 0 .
ooo ya.....gd gd...
Excellent explanation keep it up
Notice that when x=-y ,the equation holds. Thus, x + y = 0.If anyone could prove that x= -y are the only solutions, please inform me in the comments.
Assuming right from the start that x = − y , we get that the expression is
( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x ) ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − x ) = 2 0 1 3 ⇒ ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 ) − x 2 = 2 0 1 3 ⇒ 2 0 1 3 = 2 0 1 3 .
This means x + y = 0 will always be true, no matter what x we choose (even COMPLEX values of x !)
Log in to reply
This argument actually does not work because the logic must be different. The only thing proved is that if x + y = 0 then the identity holds. What is needed is the converse implication, and it is not logically equivalent.
Log in to reply
Guilherme proved that x=-y upper in the comment section I think
Log in to reply
@Bogdan Simeonov – Yes, I see, thank you. So by " x + y = 0 will always be true no matter what x we choose" Guilherme most probably just means "If x + y = 0 then the original identity will always be true no matter what x we choose." This is certainly correct.
Log in to reply
@Alexander Borisov – Wait...I'm kinda confused...Didn't Guilherme prove that for every x we choose ,y=-x?
Log in to reply
@Bogdan Simeonov – I think he did so in the original post. And then here added a comment that this actually works for all pairs ( x , y ) with x + y = 0 .
Log in to reply
@Alexander Borisov – Nevertheless,x=-y are the only solutions,aren't they?
Log in to reply
@Bogdan Simeonov – Yes, definitely. George G. showed it best.
It's really simple. To save typing, assume f(x) is that sqrt function. Then (f(x)-x)(f(y)-y) = b (b=2013). Notice that (f(x)-x) (f(x)+x) = b. So f(x)+x = f(y) - y. Similarly, f(x)- x = f(y) + y. Adding the two together, we have f(x)=f(y), so x=-y.
Log in to reply
f(x) = f(y)could also be equivalent to x=y,couldn't it?
Log in to reply
No. Subtract f(x)=f(y) from both sides of f(x)+x=f(y)-y implies that x=-y
( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − x ) ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 − y ) = 2 0 1 3
Multiplying by ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x ) to both sides;
( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − x 2 ) ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 − y ) = 2 0 1 3 ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x )
2 0 1 3 ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 − y ) = 2 0 1 3 ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x )
Dividing by 2013 to both sides;
( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 − y ) = ( x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x )
We can now see that the equation is true for every x = − y
So, x + y = x + ( − x ) = 0
Let, √(x^2+2013)-x=p. So we get, x^2+2013=(p+x)^2. => x=(2013-p^2)/p. Similarly, we can get y=(2013-q^2)/q. From here, if we add x and y, we get x+y=[2013(p+q)-pq(p+q)]/pq. As p.q=2013, x+y=0.
since x and y can take any value..so assigning 0 to both
Divide both sides by (sqrt(x^2+2013)-x) and then multiply by (sqrt(y^2+2013)+y), you will get (y^2+2013-y^2)=((2013)(sqrt(y^2+2013)+y))/(sqrt(x^2+2013)-x). Combine like terms and divide both sides by 2013, you will get 1=(sqrt(y^2+2013)+y)/(sqrt(x^2+2013)-x). It follows that (sqrt(x^2+2013)-x)=(sqrt(y^2+2013)+y). Then substitute (sqrt(y^2+2013)+y) to the orginial equation. You will get y=0 and then x=0. The sum is 0.
let the term containing x be a& let the term containing y be b as 2013 is a prime number either a or b must be 2013 &1 solving we get -2012=2x 2012=2y therefore x+y =0
He doesn't say that[; x \neq y ;] so just make it as simple as possible and take [; (\sqrt {x^2+2013}-x)(\sqrt {y^2+2013}-y)=(\sqrt {x^2+2013}-x)(\sqrt {x^2+2013}-x)=2013 \rightarrow \sqrt{2013}=(\sqrt{x^2+2013}-x) \approx 44.9 ;] If we would take away the x^2 from our sqrt we would get the answer out of that part that we wanted, 44.9. the x^2 in [; \sqrt{x^2+2013}-x ;] is bigger than x because [; \sqrt{x^2+2013} \neq \sqrt{x^2}-\sqrt{2013} ;] so if we were to put an integer bigger than 1 as x we wouldn't get sqrt(2013) so [; (\sqrt{0^2+2013}-0)^2=2013 ;] so [; x=0 ;] and [; y=0 ;], [; x+y=0+0=0 ;] THE ANSWER IS [; 0 ;]!
Problem Loading...
Note Loading...
Set Loading...
Solution:
Let's call, for speeding things up, that
x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − x = α .
It holds that:
α ( y 2 + 2 0 1 3 − y ) = 2 0 1 3 ⇒ y 2 + 2 0 1 3 − y = α 2 0 1 3
y 2 + 2 0 1 3 = y + α 2 0 1 3 ⇒ y 2 + 2 0 1 3 = y 2 + α 4 0 2 6 y + ( α 2 0 1 3 ) 2
1 = α 2 y + ( α 2 2 0 1 3 ) ⇒ 2 α α 2 − 2 0 1 3 = y .
Undoing the α substitution, we get:
y = 2 x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − 2 x x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − 2 x x 2 + 2 0 1 3 + x 2 − 2 0 1 3 ⇒ y = ( 2 x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − 2 x ) − x ( 2 x 2 + 2 0 1 3 − 2 x ) ⇒ y = − x ⇒
x + y = 0 .
Comments: What an amazing problem, Bogdan! Did you make it all by yourself?