Well, well, well

Christopher accidentally fell inside a cylindrical well of depth 15 meters and radius 8 meters. Jumping from the center of the bottom of the well, what is the minimum launch speed that Christopher needs to achieve, in order to jump out of the well?

Consider Christopher as a particle.
Take g = 10 m / s 2 g = 10 m / s ^ 2


The answer is 17.89.

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5 solutions

Snehal Shekatkar
Jan 10, 2015

Let me post a different solution than posted by @Sadi Kneipp Neto . The whole point is that the particle should 'come out' of the well. That means it is not sufficient to only travel a vertical distance h = 15 m h = 15 m but it should also travel a horizontal distance r = 8 m r = 8 m . Our old friend 'energy conservation' helps us to calculate the minimum value of the vertical component of velocity required to traverse distance h h . Equating potential energy at the top to the kinetic energy at the bottom, we get, m g h = 1 2 m v y 2 mgh = \frac{1}{2}mv_{y}^{2} This gives, v y = 2 g h v_{y}=\sqrt{2gh} The amount of time t t it takes to traverse a distance h h with this initial speed is then given by: 0 = v y g t 0 = v_{y}-gt which gives t = 2 h g t=\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}} During exactly this much time, particle must travel a distance r r to reach out of well. Hence the horizontal component of velocity that is required is: v x = r 2 h g = r g 2 h v_{x}=\frac{r}{\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}}} = r\sqrt{\frac{g}{2h}} Hence the magnitude of the velocity that is required is: v = r 2 g 2 h + 2 g h = 17.9 m / s v = \sqrt{\frac{r^{2}g}{2h} + 2gh} = \boxed{17.9 m/s}

On the second to last equation, should that be r g 2 h \cfrac{r\sqrt{g}}{\sqrt{2h}} ?

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 5 months ago

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Oops.. thanks for pointing that out. Missed writing that square root.

Snehal Shekatkar - 6 years, 5 months ago

Nice solution; I did it by the same sort of method. I am slightly confused though; when I evaluate my expression I get the same as yours; 17.93 17.93 ; which is not 17.89 17.89 as required. Even the exact form is not absolutely correct; what have I done wrong? Thank you.

Michael Ng - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Yeah.. I also got 17.93 17.93 . Such things could happen because of calculator's accuracy and so on. It is quite a small difference so should fine. :)

Snehal Shekatkar - 6 years, 4 months ago
Christopher Boo
Jan 10, 2015

17.89 ms 1 17.89 \text{ ms}^{-1} initial launch speed is really easy for me, so I managed to get out and open my computer to write this solution.

From the problem, we get two equations:

8 = u cos θ t 8 = u\cos\theta t

15 = u sin θ t 5 t 2 15 = u\sin \theta t - 5t^2

From the first equation, we get t = 8 u cos θ t = \frac{8}{u\cos \theta} and substitute into the second equation, we get

15 = 8 tan θ 320 u 2 cos 2 θ \displaystyle 15 = 8 \tan \theta - \frac{320}{u^2 \cos ^2 \theta}

u = 320 sec 2 θ 8 tan θ 15 \displaystyle u = \sqrt{\frac{320\sec ^2 \theta}{8\tan \theta - 15}}

The next step is a simple but tedious derivation. You'll get to the answer u = 17.89 ms 1 u = 17.89 \text{ms}^{-1} .

Can u please tell me that next step??

Dileep Kumar - 1 week, 3 days ago
Sadi Kneipp Neto
Jan 9, 2015

The solution becomes quite simple once the concept of Safety Parabola is known.

Setting the axis to the launch point, our parabola needs to pass through the well's top edge.

Parabola: y = g x ² 2 V ² + V ² 2 g y=\frac{-gx²}{2V²} + \frac{V²}{2g}

Plugging x=8 and y=15, we arrive at a biquadratic equation.

V 4 300 V 2 6400 = 0 { V }^{ 4 }-300{ V }^{ 2 }-6400=0

Solving for V, we get V=17.89

can we use the V=(2gh)^1/2 formula? because the velocity that you fell in the well(at the end)equals the minimum velocity for jumping out of well.but we get v=17.32... . can you explain about this?

safa m - 6 years, 5 months ago

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17.32 is the vertical component of the velocity. Find out the horizontal component. ... and then the velocity

Hasan Rizvi - 6 years, 5 months ago

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the parabola equation needs θ and we dont have it.how can we use this equation. (sorry for asking again.my physics is not really good)

safa m - 6 years, 5 months ago

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@Safa M theta is not always needed

u can simply take vertical and horizontal velocities and apply Pythagoras theorum

Abu Zubair - 6 years, 5 months ago

@Safa M Hi! I am refering to the Safety Parabola equation. Cool article on that:

https://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=jjKxVMyCIJDmsASAm4D4Dg&url=http://www.ncssm.edu/courses/math/TCM/TCM2011/talks/jones/Jones%2520TCM%25202011%2520Parabola%2520of%2520Safety.pdf&ved=0CDAQFjAG&usg=AFQjCNFEsMVUG4l-bPyYqnOWIYUpRTVgag

Sadi Kneipp Neto - 6 years, 5 months ago

this is a fundamental method for approach

much easy to approach

Abu Zubair - 6 years, 5 months ago
Mo Fara
Apr 29, 2021

The positive displacement upwards can be calculated as follows:

d y = a t 2 2 + v y = 15 d_{y} = \frac{at^2}{2} + v_{y} = 15

so we get:

v y = 15 + 5 t 2 t v_{y} = \frac{15+5t^2}{t}

For the velocity in the x direction we get:

v x = 8 / t v_{x} = 8/t

The velocity can be expressed in terms of t:

v = v x 2 + v y 2 = ( 8 / t ) 2 + ( 15 + 5 t 2 t ) 2 v= \sqrt{v_{x}^2 + v_{y}^2} = \sqrt{(8/t)^2 + (\frac{15+5t^2}{t})^2}

Simplifying, we get:

v = 289 / t 2 + 25 t 2 + 150 v= \sqrt{289/t^2 + 25t^2+150}

Since we're looking for a minimum velocity, we can differentiate v with respect to t to find the t at which v is minimal.

d v d t = 0 = 2 289 t 3 + 50 t 2 289 / t 2 + 25 t 2 + 150 \frac{dv}{dt} = 0 = \frac{-2 \frac{289}{t^3} +50t}{2\sqrt{289/t^2 + 25t^2+150}} => t = 1.8439 s

Plugging t back into the equation for v will give you the velocity 17.89

N. Aadhaar Murty
Oct 5, 2020

Assuming that Christopher JUST makes it out of the well (i.e. the maximum height achieved by him during his jump is 15 15 m right at the edge of the well), we can say that half of the horizontal range of his jump is equal to the radius of the well(by symmetrey).

So, using what we know from projectile motion we can say that

1 2 v 2 sin ( 2 θ ) g = 8 , v 2 sin 2 θ 2 g = 15 \frac {1}{2} \cdot \frac {v^{2}\sin (2\theta)}{g} = 8, \frac {v^{2}\sin^{2}\theta}{2g} = 15

where θ \theta is his launch angle with respect to the horizontal and v v is his velocity at launch.

sin ( 2 θ ) sin 2 θ = 2 cot θ = 8 15 θ = cot 1 ( 8 30 ) = 75.068582821 9 \therefore \frac {\sin(2\theta)}{\sin^{2}\theta} = 2\cot \theta = \frac {8}{15} \Rightarrow \theta = \cot^{-1} \left(\frac {8}{30}\right) = 75.0685828219^{\circ}

So we can conclude that

v = 300 sin θ 17.92 m s 1 v = \frac {\sqrt {300}}{\sin \theta} \approx \boxed {17.92 \text {m}\text {s}^{-1}}

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