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Geometry Level 4

Given that a a and b b are positive reals such that 64 = ( ( a + b ) 2 16 ) ( 16 ( a b ) 2 ) 64 = ((a+b)^2-16)(16-(a-b)^2) , find the minimum value of a 2 + b 2 8 2 \sqrt{\dfrac{a^2+b^2-8}{2}} .

Give your answer to 3 decimal places.


The answer is 1.000.

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2 solutions

Manuel Kahayon
May 7, 2016

Anybody can try a = b a=b and get the answer as 1, but how does it happen?

By using difference of two squares on the first equation,

64 = ( a + b + 4 ) ( a + b 4 ) ( a b + 4 ) ( a + b + 4 ) 64 = (a+b+4)(a+b-4)(a-b+4)(-a+b+4) ,

which can be divided by 16 and taking square root on both sides to get

2 = a + b + 4 2 a + b 4 2 a b + 4 2 a + b + 4 2 2 = \sqrt{\frac{a+b+4}{2} \cdot \frac{a+b-4}{2} \cdot \frac{a-b+4}{2} \cdot \frac{-a+b+4}{2}}

Looks familiar? Well, it should be, since this is the formula for the area of a triangle with sides a , b , 4 a,b,4 by Heron's formula. We can see then that the triangle has area 2.

Now, we can see that the altitude to the base with length 4 4 is 1 1 , since A r e a = b h / 2 = 2 Area = bh/2 = 2 , giving us 2 h = 2 , h = 1 2h=2, h=1 .

Then, by Apollonius' Theorem, the length of the median d d to the side with length 4 4 is d = a 2 + b 2 2 ( 4 2 ) 2 2 = a 2 + b 2 8 2 d = \sqrt{\frac{a^2+b^2-2(\frac{4}{2})^2}{2}}= \sqrt{\frac{a^2+b^2-8}{2}} . Now, this is exactly what we want to minimize.

Now, in any given triangle, the median to a side is always greater than or equal to the altitude to that side. So,

d = a 2 + b 2 8 2 1 d = \sqrt{\frac{a^2+b^2-8}{2}} \geq 1 , since the altitude to the side of length 4 is 1.

So, our answer is 1 \boxed{1}

Nice problem

Jun Arro Estrella - 4 years, 5 months ago

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Ayy shems si kuya XD

Hahaha nagawa ko po sya nung bored na bored na po ako sa classroom TT.TT

Manuel Kahayon - 4 years, 5 months ago

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Basta mga minimum, I always try the equality case xD

Then I look at the solution :) Ganda ng problem :)

Ang nasa picture ko? wahahhaa di ko kilala yan.

Jun Arro Estrella - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Jun Arro Estrella AYY bad bad TT.TT

No assuming

Manuel Kahayon - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Manuel Kahayon hahahhahahhaha

Jun Arro Estrella - 4 years, 5 months ago

@Jun Arro Estrella Joke lang po XD

Manuel Kahayon - 4 years, 5 months ago

Speaking of which, sino po yang nasa profile pic nyo?

Manuel Kahayon - 4 years, 5 months ago

Proof ? :)

Chirayu Bhardwaj - 5 years, 1 month ago

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What would you like me to prove...?

Manuel Kahayon - 5 years, 1 month ago
Jiahui Tan
Sep 11, 2019

Solution by my teaming with my friend... Start by expanding: 64 = ( ( a + b ) 2 16 ) ( 16 ( a b ) 2 ) 64 = ((a + b)^2 - 16)(16 - (a - b)^2)\\ 64 = 16 ( ( a + b ) 2 + ( a b ) 2 ) ) [ ( a + b ) ( a b ) ] 2 256 64 = 16((a + b)^2 + (a - b)^2)) - [(a+b)(a-b)]^2 - 256\\ 320 = 32 ( a 2 + b 2 ) ( a 2 b 2 ) 2 320 = 32(a^2 + b^2) - (a^2 - b^2)^2\\ 320 + ( a 2 b 2 ) 2 = 32 ( a 2 + b 2 ) 320 + (a^2 - b^2)^2 = 32(a^2 + b^2)\\ To minimize RHS means minimize LHS, which means ( a 2 b 2 ) 2 (a^2 - b^2)^2 should be as small as possible. Hence we let ( a 2 b 2 ) 2 = 0 (a^2 - b^2)^2=0 , consequently ( a 2 + b 2 ) = 10 (a^2 + b^2) = 10 , substitute it into the square root yields the answer 1 1

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