What is distance CD?

Geometry Level 4

This problem’s question: {\color{#D61F06}\text{This problem's question:}} What is distance CD?

The points labeled A, B, C and D are on some circle. The center and radius are not provided.

AB = 2 AC = 2 + 2 AD = 3 BC = 2 + 2 BD = 3 + 2 \begin{aligned} \text{AB} & = \sqrt{2} \\ \text{AC} & = \sqrt{\sqrt{2}+2} \\ \text{AD} & = \sqrt{3} \\ \text{BC} & = \sqrt{\sqrt{2}+2} \\ \text{BD} & = \sqrt{\sqrt{3}+2} \\ \end{aligned}


The answer is 0.261052384440103.

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See Ptolemy's theorem .

If a quadrilateral is inscribable in a circle then the product of the measures of its diagonals is equal to the sum of the products of the measures of the pairs of opposite sides.

In the following paragraph, cd \text{cd} is a two character variable name and not the product of c c and d d .

Solving 2 + 2 3 + 2 = 2 cd + 3 2 + 2 ] \left.\sqrt{\sqrt{2}+2} \sqrt{\sqrt{3}+2}=\sqrt{2}\,\text{cd}+\sqrt{3} \sqrt{\sqrt{2}+2}\right] for the distance CD gives 2 3 + 2 0.2610523844401031830968125 \sqrt{2-\sqrt{\sqrt{3}+2}} \approx 0.2610523844401031830968125 .

By the way, the converse is also true. If, for some quadrilateral, the product of the measures of its diagonals is equal to the sum of the products of the measures of the pairs of opposite sides, then the quadrilateral is inscribable in a circle.

@Randolph Herber , we should use reference in Brilliant.org if it is available such as Ptolemy's theorem .

Chew-Seong Cheong - 1 year, 11 months ago

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You just did it.

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 11 months ago

Prove - The points labeled A, B, C and D are on some circle?

Yuriy Kazakov - 1 year, 11 months ago

That is a given fact in this problem. It is impossible to prove that the corners are on a circle with only 5 distances specified without, in effect, proving Ptolemy s Theorem in the process..

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 11 months ago

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It is actually possible to prove/disprove Yuriy's question.

We know that the sum of opposite angles of a cyclic quadrilateral is equal to 18 0 180^\circ . Use the property cos θ = cos ( 18 0 θ ) \cos\theta = -\cos(180^\circ - \theta ) and double check whether the cosine rule holds.

Pi Han Goh - 1 year, 11 months ago

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No problem. The condition "The points labeled A, B, C and D are on some circle" is redundant.

From A B 2 = A D 2 + B D 2 2 A D B D cos A D B AB^2=AD^2+BD^2-2AD\cdot BD\cdot \cos\angle ADB and A B 2 = A C 2 + B C 2 2 A C B C cos A C B AB^2=AC^2+BC^2-2AC\cdot BC\cdot \cos\angle ACB we have A D B = A C B \angle ADB=\angle ACB .The equivalent of this angles give - ABCD - is a cyclic quadrilateral.

I use WolframAlpha

2 = 6 3 3 + 1 2 + 3 \sqrt{2}= \sqrt{{6} - 3 \sqrt{3}}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{2 + \sqrt {3}}}

Yuriy Kazakov - 1 year, 11 months ago

What you are doing is proving Ptolemy's Theorem. I do not see that is comment adds anything to the solution.

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 11 months ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Yes, one way to prove Ptolemy's theorem is to apply Cosine rule.

I just want to point out that it is actually possible to prove that the corners are on a circle with the 5 distances specified.

Pi Han Goh - 1 year, 11 months ago

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@Pi Han Goh I say it again because you apparently did not get the point the first time: What you are doing is proving Ptolemy's Theorem. I do not see that that comment adds anything to the solution. Therefore, please stop sniping.

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 11 months ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Oh sorry, my reasoning was circular. I didn't realize my error until I scribbled more notes on my notepad.

Thanks for correcting my error.

Now I'm wondering whether we can still solve this question if one of the values is omitted.

Pi Han Goh - 1 year, 11 months ago

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