What Is The Square Root Of Zero?

Calculus Level 2

lim x 0 + x + x + x + x + = ? \large \lim_{x \to 0^+} \sqrt {x + \sqrt { x + \sqrt {x + \sqrt {x +\cdots }}}} = \, ?

Give your answer to 2 decimal places.


The answer is 1.00.

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3 solutions

Sam Bealing
Apr 3, 2016

Let S S be the expression, then we have:

S = ( x + S ) S 2 S x = 0 ( S 1 2 ) 2 = x + 1 4 S=\sqrt{(x+S) } \Rightarrow S^2-S-x=0 \Rightarrow (S-\frac{1}{2})^2=x+\frac{1}{4}

If S 1 2 = ( x + 1 4 ) S = 1 2 ( x + 1 4 ) S-\frac{1}{2}=-\sqrt{( x+\frac{1}{4})} \Rightarrow S=\frac{1}{2} -\sqrt{( x+\frac{1}{4})}

x > 0 ( x + 1 4 ) > 1 2 S < 0 x>0 \Rightarrow \sqrt{( x+\frac{1}{4})} >\frac{1}{2} \Rightarrow S<0

Clearly the expression is positive so this is a contradiction thus

S 1 2 = ( x + 1 4 ) S-\frac{1}{2}= \sqrt{( x+\frac{1}{4})} for x > 0 x>0 .

As we are approaching a limit we can take this to be true as x goes to 0 as it is true for all x > 0 x>0

So as x x goes to 0 0 we get: ( S 1 2 ) 2 = 1 4 S 1 2 = 1 2 S = 1 (S-\frac{1}{2})^2=\frac{1}{4} \Rightarrow S-\frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{2} \Rightarrow S=1

I think maybe this finally shows why S 0 S \neq 0 .

Note: Consider the recurrence relation a n + 1 = ( a n + x ) , a 0 = x a_{n+1}=\sqrt{(a_n+x)}, a_0=\sqrt{x} so a a_{\infty} is equal to the expression.

Clearly ( x + b ) < ( x + c ) \sqrt{(x+b)} <\sqrt{(x+c)} for c > b > 0 c>b>0

a 1 > a 0 a_1>a_0 . Assume a k > a k 1 a k + 1 = ( x + a k ) > ( x + a k 1 ) = a k a_{k} >a{k-1} \Rightarrow a_{k+1}=\sqrt{(x+\sqrt{a_k})}>\sqrt{(x+\sqrt{a_{k-1}})}=a_k by the above inequality.

It is proved by induction a n a_n is increasing and, as for x < 1 x<1 we have x < x = a 0 < a x<\sqrt{x} =a_0<a_{\infty}

This statement is true as x x goes towards 0 which is why for S = 0 S=0 the limit is not 0.

You wrote: ( S 1 2 ) 2 = 1 4 S 1 2 = 1 2 (S - \frac{1}{2})^{2} = \frac{1}{4} \implies S - \frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{2}

Which is false. It should be:

( S 1 2 ) 2 = 1 4 S 1 2 = 1 2 (S - \frac{1}{2})^{2} = \frac{1}{4} \implies S - \frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{2} or S 1 2 = 1 2 S - \frac{1}{2} = -\frac{1}{2}

Without any other consideration (which i could not figure out), we can only state that:

S = 0 S = 0 or S = 1 S = 1

mat baluch - 5 years, 2 months ago

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You can also try plugging in very small values of x x like 0.01 to see the expression nears to 1.

Sam Bealing - 5 years, 2 months ago

@Ossama Ismail As a side note, we need to take the one-sided limit from the positive side. I've edited the problem accordingly.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 2 months ago

How do you get from S 2 S x = 0 S^2-S-x=0 to ( S 1 2 ) 2 = x + 1 4 (S-\frac{1}{2})^2=x+\frac{1}{4} ?

Finian Blackett - 5 years, 2 months ago

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This is completing the square:

S 2 S x = ( S 1 2 ) 2 1 4 x S^2-S-x=(S-\frac{1}{2})^2-\frac{1}{4}-x

You can check this by expansion.

Sam Bealing - 5 years, 2 months ago

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Thanks. Sorry about my temporary lapse of intelligence.

Finian Blackett - 5 years, 2 months ago

At S 2 S x = 0 S^2 - S - x = 0 you could also use this high school formula for quadratic expressions: S 2 + p S + q = 0 S^2 + pS + q = 0

\Rightarrow S 1 , 2 = p 2 ± ( p 2 ) 2 q S_{1,2} = - \frac {p}{2} \pm \sqrt {(\frac {p}{2})^2 - q}

We have p = 1 , q = x p = -1, q = -x

And with x 0 x \rightarrow 0 we get

S 1 = 0 , S_1 = 0,

S 2 = 1 S_2 = 1

That's what convinces me of S = 0 S = 0 or S = 1 S = 1 :D

Marko Kohler - 5 years, 2 months ago

No, this solution is still incorrect. Note that ( S 1 2 ) 2 = 1 4 ( S - \frac{1}{2} ) ^2 = \frac{1}{4} does not imply that S 1 2 = 1 2 S - \frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{2} .

Instead of taking square roots, you should be factorizing the expression instead. What we get is that S 1 2 = ± 1 2 S - \frac{1}{2} = \pm \frac{1}{2} . More work has to be done to justify that S 1 2 1 2 S - \frac{1}{2} \neq - \frac{1}{2} .

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 2 months ago

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I've edited my solution again. Don't known if it's sufficient this time.

Sam Bealing - 5 years, 2 months ago

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Yup, that's much better now!

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 2 months ago

Yes, you need to add the plus or minus sign in there.

Finian Blackett - 5 years, 2 months ago

The general computation for limit

lim x 0 + x + x + x + x + x + x + x + x + x + . . . lim x 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + . . . Apply the quadratic equation: x 2 x C if C + C + C + C + C + C + C + C + C + . . . x 2 x 0 = 0 x 2 x = 0 x ( x 1 ) = 0 Use Zero Factor Principle x = 1 \begin{aligned} \lim_{x\to 0^+} \sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{...}}}}}}}}}}&\Rightarrow \lim_{x\to 0^+}\sqrt{0+\sqrt{0+\sqrt{0+\sqrt{0+\sqrt{0+\sqrt{0+\sqrt{0+\sqrt{0+\sqrt{0+\sqrt{...}}}}}}}}}} \qquad{\text{Apply the quadratic equation: } x^2-x-C \space\text{if } \sqrt{C+\sqrt{C+\sqrt{C+\sqrt{C+\sqrt{C+\sqrt{C+\sqrt{C+\sqrt{C+\sqrt{C+\sqrt{...}}}}}}}}}} } \\&\Rightarrow x^2-x-0=0 \\&\Rightarrow x^2-x =0 \\&\Rightarrow x(x-1)=0 \quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad{\text{Use Zero Factor Principle}}\\&\Rightarrow \therefore x=1 \space\space \square \end{aligned}

ADIOS!!! \large\text{ADIOS!!!}

Your solution is incorrect. If we were to replace the x x with 0 0 as you did in the first step, the the expression evaluates to 0.

Also, please avoid having your notation do double duty. It's not great that x x is a variable in the limit, and subsequently x x is the value of the limit.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 2 months ago

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I understand Sir.

A Former Brilliant Member - 5 years, 2 months ago

What is the true explanation for lim x 0 x + x + x + x + x + x + . . . \lim_{x\to 0} \sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{...}}}}}}} Sir? Because you marked incorrect. Thanks for corrections Sir.

A Former Brilliant Member - 5 years, 2 months ago

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See Sam's solution above.

You need to first explain why for x > 0 x > 0 , the infinite radical is equal to 1 2 + x + 1 4 \frac{1}{2} + \sqrt{x + \frac{1}{4} } .

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 2 months ago

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@Calvin Lin I'm sorry I can't explain for x > 0 x>0 , the infinite radical is equal to 1 2 + x + 1 4 \frac{1}{2}+\sqrt{x+\frac{1}{4}}

As what I've know I will use completing the square So.

S 2 S 0 = 0 S^2-S-0=0

( S 1 2 ) 2 = 1 4 \left(S-\frac{1}{2}\right)^2 = \frac{1}{4}

S = 1 2 + 1 2 S=\frac{1}{2}+\frac{\sqrt{1}}{2}

S = 1 + 1 2 S=\frac{1+\sqrt{1}}{2}

S = 1 S=1 .

If I use S 1 , 2 = b ± b 2 4 a c 2 a S_{1,2} =\frac{^-b \pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}

S 1 = 0 S_1=0

S 2 = 1 S_2=1

Please check if I'm wrong Sir and explain me in step by step thanks.

A Former Brilliant Member - 5 years, 2 months ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Look at Sam's solution above, to explain why S > 1 2 S > \frac{1}{2} .

Note that you shouldn't substitute in x = 0 x = 0 in your working.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 2 months ago

Sorry I don't understand on Sam solutions above I don't have an idea about that because this is new of my sight. Sorry Sir.

A Former Brilliant Member - 5 years, 2 months ago
Tamir Dror
Jun 14, 2016

Let's substitute this nested radical, into a real number p. We can obviously see that P^2-p-x=0 Thus, P=(1+sqrt(1+4x))/2 (The conjugate other p doesn't exist since root is defined only for non-negative numbers). Thus, We can take the limit of p when it goes to 0 from right, and we obviously get it to be 1. (Since the function is continous)

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