Let x , y and z be real numbers such that
⎩ ⎪ ⎨ ⎪ ⎧ x 2 + 3 x y + 3 y 2 z 2 + 3 y z + 3 y 2 x ( 2 x + 3 y − z ) = 2 5 = 1 6 9 = 3 y z .
If x y + y z + x z can be expressed as a b , where a and b are positive integers, and b is not divisible by the square of any prime. What is the value of a + b ?
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Thank you for your solution! :) Really appreciate your diagram as it has helped me visualised much better. But I would have understood your solution better with motivations :) Voted up!
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Okay :) Here's what went on my mind step-by-step:
The third equation looks different from the first two. Somehow, we have to make it look a bit nicer. Substituting the values of x y and y z from the first two equations was my first approach.
Once I did it, I found out that the numbers on the RHS form a pythagorean triplet. This led me to think that it must be related somehow to a right-angled triangle.
Now that all the equations were in nice form, and I knew it must be related to a triangle, I tried to play with the 3 x y , 3 y z , z x terms a bit. As I expected, I found it very similar to the cosine rule, so I thought of a geometric interpretation.
I now had the figure drawn, and had to find x y + y z + z x somehow. At this point, I thought of trying a coordinate bash to determine the position of P . It usually works in the case of right angled triangles, as the coordinates are easier to deal with. However, it got too tedious so I left it.
I was clueless for a while. But then, I noticed that if we compute the areas of △ A P B , △ A P C , and △ B P C , we get the same coefficients of x y , y z , and z x . That was my stroke of luck! Adding them, I found out the value of x y + y z + z x .
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how did u made the image?Ms-Paint?
A couple of minor misprints in the end: 2 [ △ A P B ] = 3 y x × sin ( 1 5 0 ∘ ) = 2 3 x y 2 [ △ A P C ] = 3 y z × sin ( 1 5 0 ∘ ) = 2 3 y z 2 [ △ B P C ] = z x × sin ( 6 0 ∘ ) = 2 3 z x 2 [ △ A B C ] = 1 2 × 5 = 6 0
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Also, I don't see y labeled in the triangle.
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Oops, I replaced the 3 y with 3 b . Sorry.
And, shouldn't the right hand side of the second line be 2 3 y z ?
Hahahahaha the birth of a triangle. Another algebra question with a geometry solution. I hate those questions hahaha
And there goes the triangles in all of the solutions hahaha
I have been solving this for days but I never went to the right answer.. Never thought again of using geometry to answer the question.. Are there any pure algebraic solutions for this or even manipulating variables?
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There might exist such a solution, but I believe if we go along that line, we will basically reprove the formula for the area of a triangle ( [ △ A B C ] = 2 1 A B . B C . sin ( ∠ A B C ) ) , which will be too long. Another problem with these solutions is that we have to justify the existence of such a x , y , z , otherwise we might get paradoxes such as this one. Note that finding x , y , z is as hard as using a coordinate bash to determine the position of P , which is really intimidating (I have tried it!). If we go along the geometric line, it is obvious that there must exist such a point P in the plane (maybe not in the interior of △ A B C ), so we are guaranteed to find a ( x , y , z ) satisfying all three equations.
Motivation :Firstly,one must notice that the given values, 2 5 and 1 6 9 are perfect squares of 5 and 1 3 ,and they also form a pythagorean triplet with 1 2 ,so one must think of using geometry to solve this problem.The idea will become more clear by reading my solution.
Firstly,as we are using geometry in this problem,we must use some concepts of geometry like similarity,cosine rule,sine rule etc.The another hardest part of this problem is to identify that concept which we have to apply in this problem.Let's see what is given!Also notice that the given information contains a lots of squares( x 2 , z 2 , 2 5 , 1 6 9 ),and cosine rule is the only one which contains many squares.So,by simple hit and trial and observations,the given data can be rewritten as, ( 5 ) 2 = x 2 + ( y 3 ) 2 − 2 ( 2 − 3 ) ( x ) ( y 3 )
( 1 3 ) 2 = z 2 + ( y 3 ) 2 − 2 ( 2 − 3 ) ( z ) ( y 3 ) and by subtracting these two equations and using the third given equation,we get ( 1 2 ) 2 = x 2 + z 2 − 2 ( 2 3 ) ( x ) ( z ) The above 3 equations looks like cosine rule,so the above three equations,we need to arrange them such that these equations are geometrically related. So,it can be arranged by setting a point inside the triangle. For final diagram,download this file and if you don't have geogebra, google it and download it.Sorry,because I feel lazy to type,so please download the file.
From the diagram,the problem is converted into a geometry problem which is very simple to solve. The area of the 3 smaller triangles equal to the area of the bigger triangle.So, ( 2 1 × sin 1 5 0 × y 3 × x ) + ( 2 1 × sin 1 5 0 × z × x ) + ( 2 1 × sin 6 0 × y 3 × z ) = 2 1 × 5 × 1 2 Simplifying the above equation we get our answer. x y + y z + z x = 4 0 3
Nice solution! :) Although I don't bother downloading Geogebra, but I like your motivation part. :) It really helped me understand the solution more. Voted up!
Subtracting the first equation from the second equation, we get z 2 − x 2 + 3 y z − 3 x y = 1 4 4 . From the third equation, 3 y z − 3 x y = 2 x 2 − x z . Substituting, we get x 2 − x z + z 2 = 1 4 4 .
Let A , B , C , and P be points such that A P = x , B P = y 3 , C P = z , ∠ A P B = ∠ B P C = 1 5 0 ∘ , and ∠ A P C = 6 0 ∘ . Then by the cosine law on triangle A B P ,
A B 2 = x 2 − 2 x ( y 3 ) cos 1 5 0 ∘ + ( y 3 ) 2 = x 2 + 3 x y + 3 y 2 = 2 5 ,
so A B = 5 . Similarly, by the cosine law on triangle B C P , B C 2 = 3 y 2 + 3 y z + z 2 = 1 6 9 , so B C = 1 3 , and by the cosine law on triangle A C P , A C 2 = x 2 − x z + z 2 = 1 4 4 , so A C = 1 2 .
Since A B 2 + A C 2 = B C 2 , triangle A B C is a right-triangle, and has area 2 1 ⋅ A B ⋅ A C = 2 1 ⋅ 5 ⋅ 1 2 = 3 0 .
The area of triangle A B P is 2 1 ⋅ A P ⋅ B P ⋅ sin 1 5 0 ∘ = 2 1 ⋅ x ⋅ y 3 ⋅ 2 1 = 4 3 x y . Similarly, the areas of triangles A C P and B C P are 4 3 x z and 4 3 y z , respectively. Adding these areas up, we get 4 3 x y + 4 3 x z + 4 3 y z = 3 0 , so x y + x z + y z = 3 1 2 0 = 4 0 3 .
Although this was probably the intended solution, the given system does not actually have any solutions where x , y , and z are all positive. If it did, then our construction would give us a triangle A B C with sides 5, 12, and 13, and a point P inside the triangle such that ∠ A P C = 6 0 ∘ . But cos ∠ A B C = 1 3 5 < 2 1 = cos 6 0 ∘ , so ∠ A B C > 6 0 ∘ , which means that no such point P exists.
Wouldn't x , y , z being negative simply mean P lies outside △ A B C ? Since we are considering directed segments, the area would add up anyways. However, in that case, I admit my diagram was wrong. :)
You can use a point outside triangle A B C , but it requires some care. Let P be the point such that ∠ A P B = ∠ C P B = 3 0 ∘ . (Note that 3 0 ∘ = 1 8 0 ∘ − 1 5 0 ∘ .)
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Then ∠ A P C = 6 0 ∘ . If we take x = A P , y = − B P / 3 , and z = C P , then these values satisfy the given system. Looking at the diagram, you can convice yourself why taking y to be negative works.
They have changed the problem so that x , y , and z can be any real numbers, but the problem still isn't quite right. It turns out that there is another point P that leads to a solution, namely the point P where ∠ A P B = 3 0 ∘ and ∠ A P C = 1 2 0 ∘ .
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Then ∠ B P C = 1 5 0 ∘ . If we take x = − A P , y = B P / 3 , and z = C P , then these values satisfy the given system. These values lead to x y + x z + y z = − 4 0 3 , which is negative.
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Aren't they asking for the positive value of x y + y z + z x (as they say x y + y z + z x can be represented as a b for some a , b ∈ N )? Note that WolframAlpha gives the following solutions: x − 6 0 4 1 2 9 7 3 + 2 0 3 6 0 4 1 2 9 7 3 + 2 0 3 − 6 0 4 1 2 9 7 3 − 2 0 3 6 0 4 1 2 9 7 3 − 2 0 3 y 3 5 ( 1 2 + 5 3 ) 4 1 2 9 7 3 + 2 0 3 − 3 5 ( 1 2 + 5 3 ) 4 1 2 9 7 3 + 2 0 3 3 5 ( 1 2 − 5 3 ) 4 1 2 9 7 3 − 2 0 3 3 5 ( 5 3 − 1 2 ) 4 1 2 9 7 3 − 2 0 3 z 1 2 ( 4 3 − 5 ) 4 1 2 9 7 3 + 2 0 3 1 2 ( 5 − 4 3 ) 4 1 2 9 7 3 + 2 0 3 − 1 2 ( 5 + 4 3 ) 4 1 2 9 7 3 − 2 0 3 1 2 ( 5 + 4 3 ) 4 1 2 9 7 3 − 2 0 3 x y + y z + z x − 4 0 3 − 4 0 3 4 0 3 4 0 3 This shows that the possible values of x y + y z + z x are indeed ± 4 0 3 . The negative value gets rejected because of the problem conditions. But I have to admit: my solution was terribly incomplete! Thanks for pointing that out. :)
Let 3 y 2 = t 2 . Then we have from the first equation, 5 2 = x 2 + t 2 + 3 x t = x 2 + t 2 − 2 x t cos 1 5 0 ∘ .
Similarly from second equation, we get 1 3 2 = z 2 + t 2 + 3 z t = z 2 + t 2 − 2 z t cos 1 5 0 ∘ .
Substituting the values of z t & x t from the first two equations into the third, we get:
1 3 2 − z 2 − t 2 = 2 x 2 + 5 2 − x 2 − t 2 − x z ⇒ 1 2 2 = x 2 + z 2 − x z ⇒ 1 2 2 = x 2 + z 2 − 2 x z cos 6 0 .
Now consider a right triangle A B C with sides c = 5 , a = 1 2 , b = 1 3 . There is a point P inside such that ∠ A P B = 1 5 0 ∘ , ∠ A P C = 1 5 0 ∘ , ∠ B P C = 6 0 ∘ . Applying cosine rule in these smaller triangles gives us the above three equations.
We are asked for x y + y z + z x = 3 x t + 3 z t + z x = 3 1 ( x t + z t + 3 x z ) , which we get by adding the areas of the above three triangles computed using sine rule. Indeed, we get: 2 1 ( 2 x t + 2 3 x z + 2 z t ) = 3 0 , whence we get the answer 4 0 3 .
A quick recap:
recall the squares 2 5 & 1 6 9 are part of the pythagorean triplet { 5 , 1 2 , 1 3 } . So we can approach using geometric interpretation,especially pertaining to right triangles.
since we need squares, & 3 y 2 is not a perfect square, remove it! (Of course by substituting something, not punching your monitor :))
Since x y + y z + z x is asked for, don't go for x , y , z directly. Lastly it's just practice & learning, by which you can use such techniques.
You didn't have to make the substitution 3 y 2 = t 2 . The final equation would have been much nicer without it. :)
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You should make your math look clean. :) Anyway, no problem.
I actually made this substitution too...and like Paramijit had said, it made the equations look clean and it motivated me to use cosine rule.. :) Anyway very nice explanation!
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Note that x 2 + 3 x y + 3 y 2 = 2 5 ⟹ x 2 − 2 ( − 2 3 ) × x × 3 y + ( 3 y ) 2 = 2 5 = 5 2 ⟹ x 2 − 2 x ( 3 y ) cos ( 1 5 0 ∘ ) + ( 3 y ) 2 = 2 5 Similarly, z 2 + 3 y z + 3 y 2 = 1 6 9 ⟹ z 2 − 2 z ( 3 y ) cos ( 1 5 0 ∘ ) + ( 3 y ) 2 = 1 6 9 = 1 3 2 From the third equation, we obtain 2 x 2 + 3 x y − x z = 3 y z From the first two equations, we know that 3 x y = 2 5 − 3 y 2 − x 2 3 y z = 1 6 9 − 3 y 2 − z 2 Plugging them in the third equation, we obtain 2 x 2 + 2 5 − 3 y 2 − x 2 − x z = 1 6 9 − 3 y 2 − z 2 ⟹ x 2 − x z + z 2 = 1 4 4 ⟹ x 2 − 2 × 2 1 x z + z 2 = 1 4 4 ⟹ x 2 − 2 x z cos ( 6 0 ∘ ) + z 2 = 1 4 4 = 1 2 2 Now consider the triangle in the following figure.
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Notice that the angles and lengths are consistent from the cosine rule and our first three observations.
Since 1 2 2 + 5 2 = 1 3 2 , we deduce that ∠ A B C = 9 0 ∘ . Let P be the point in the interior. We have [ △ A P B ] = 2 3 x y [ △ A P C ] = 2 3 y z [ △ B P C ] = 2 3 z x [ △ A B C ] = 1 2 × 5 = 6 0 Note that [ △ A P B ] + [ △ B P C + [ △ A P C ] = [ △ A B C ] ⟹ 2 3 ( x y + y z + z x ) = 6 0 ⟹ x y + y z + z x = 3 6 0 × 2 = 4 0 3 Thus, a = 4 0 , b = 3 , a + b = 4 0 + 3 = 4 3 .