Is This True?

Algebra Level 2

If a \color{#D61F06}{a} and b \color{#3D99F6}{b} are non-zero real numbers with a > b , \color{#D61F06}{a}>\color{#3D99F6}{b}, then 1 a < 1 b \dfrac{1}{\color{#D61F06}{a}} < \dfrac{1}{\color{#3D99F6}{b}} .

Not necessarily Yes, definitely

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11 solutions

Nihar Mahajan
Jun 19, 2015

Simple counter example:

1 3 < 1 2 3 > 2 false \Large\dfrac{1}{-3} < \dfrac{1}{2} \iff -3 > 2 \rightarrow \text{ false}

The statement is true only if both a , b a,b are either positive or negative.

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Bonus question : Does 1 a < 1 b a 2 > b 2 \dfrac{1}{a} < \dfrac{1}{b} \iff a^2>b^2 ?

For that example, a=-3 and b=2. A is not greater than B.

Paul Brewster - 5 years, 5 months ago

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I agree with you. -3 is NOT greater than 2 so the initial condition is not met. They turned the conditions around. They said that a > b. You can't disprove that by saying a is not greater than b. That condition has to be met before the other comparison can be made according to the way the problem was worded.

Knight Hawk - 5 years ago

hahaha... I thought of an exactly similar example dude... what a coincidence.. :D'

Rishabh Tripathi - 5 years, 12 months ago

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Exactly similar?? What does that suppose to mean? :P

Sudeep Salgia - 5 years, 12 months ago

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This is the only possible method to be applied here so everyone who gets it correct must have applied "similar" method

Kushagra Sahni - 5 years, 11 months ago

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@Kushagra Sahni There's a difference between similar and exactly similar.. I actually took only those two numbers which Nihar gave as example in solution. Anyone could choose any positive and negative number for a counter example.

Rishabh Tripathi - 5 years, 11 months ago

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@Rishabh Tripathi Yeah I thought of the same but when I read the word similar I thought you meant not exactly same but similar type of example. There is a difference between same and similar just like there is between congruent and similar. Bro I am just kidding even sudeep salgia was so don't take it seriously we are just having fun.

Kushagra Sahni - 5 years, 11 months ago

Oxymoron xD

Mehul Arora - 5 years, 11 months ago

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@Mehul Arora Yeah correct.

Sudeep Salgia - 5 years, 11 months ago

Exactly similar means that I chose those two numbers as my counter example.

Rishabh Tripathi - 5 years, 11 months ago

Not necessarily, Consider the case when a= -1 & b= 2: -1 < 0.5 .... True. But 1 > 4 .... False.

Ahmed Osama - 5 years, 5 months ago

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But when u take a=-1 nd b=2 you dont satisfy the initial condition itself,that is a has to be greater than b(a>b). In ur example a is not greater than b.

Varun Kothari - 5 years, 4 months ago

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I think this is a different question where the initial condition is considered to be: (1/a) < (1/b) So we don't care about the relation between a and b. (Sorry for the late reply)

Ahmed Osama - 5 years, 2 months ago

In response to Challenge master note: The answer is no . Simple counter example: 1 2 < 1 3 ( 2 ) 2 > 3 2 4 > 9 f a l s e \dfrac{1}{-2}<\dfrac{1}{3} \iff (-2)^2>3^2 \Rightarrow 4>9 \rightarrow \ false .

Nihar Mahajan - 5 years, 11 months ago

The answer for challenge master ys true

Bhavana Bunsha - 3 years, 3 months ago

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Nope. Consider Nihans example.

Zain Majumder - 3 years, 2 months ago

The answer for challenge master is true

Bhavana Bunsha - 3 years, 3 months ago
Wisnu Ops
Oct 19, 2015

We could easily answer the question by picking one example like what Nihar Mahajan did:

1 3 < 1 2 3 > 2 \frac{1}{-3}<\frac{1}{2} \iff -3 > 2

which is false .

However, we can also answer the question by remembering the general principle of inequality: If both sides are multiplied by a negative number, then the symbol must be changed.

For example, if x > y x>y , then x < y -x<-y .

Now, how do we go from a > b a>b to 1 a < 1 b \frac{1}{a}<\frac{1}{b} ? It only takes one step:

a > b a>b
Multiply both sides with 1 a b \frac{1}{ab}
1 b . . . 1 a \frac{1}{b} ... \frac{1}{a}

The problem stated that a a and b b are non zero, but it didn't state whether both have the same sign (both positive or both negative). So, 1 a b \frac{1}{ab} could be positive or negative. If it is positive, 1 b > 1 a \frac{1}{b} > \frac{1}{a} . If it is negative, 1 b < 1 a \frac{1}{b} < \frac{1}{a} . No conclusion can be made.

Tridip Das
Oct 1, 2015

Let us take 1 &-1

1>-1

But 1/1<1/(-1) is not true.

Manifold M
Nov 10, 2018

If we assume the inequality holds always, then we can proof by contradiction. We assume a a > b , 1 a < 1 b a > b, \frac{1}{a} < \frac{1}{b} , though we are allowed to multiply both sides by the same factor. Hence if we multiply by ab, we get a b a < a b b = b < a \frac{ab}{a} < \frac{ab}{b} = b < a

Hence a contradiction to our assumption the a >b.

Chris White
Oct 19, 2015

not true at all once B is negative, just having a = 1 and b = -1 makes it false... such a silly question.

Albert Mourato
Oct 19, 2015

A simple counter exemple: a = 1 and b = -1. a>b. 1/1<1/(-1) = 1<-1 is false.

NiceAcm Trainee
Oct 19, 2015

if a = 1/4 and b=-1/8 a > b
but if we make it 1/a=4 and 1/b=-8 then a is still greater than b

Rajorshi Koyal
Oct 18, 2015

Use two negative numbers it doesn't work!!

Yojan Saini
Jun 23, 2015

1/A >1/B =A>B ONLY IF A and B are both positive the case is reversed if sign of anyone of them changes [1/(-4)<1/(-1) does not mean (-4>-1) here (-1>-4)}

a a and b b should be 1, so it's not necessarily true

Rajeev G
Jun 20, 2015

If a and b are numbers between 0 and 1 then its not possible.

No if a and b lie between 0 and 1 then it is possible. For example 1/0.5<1/0.25 and hence 0.5>0.25, the only way to condradict this is by taking 1 positive and 1 negative value.

Kushagra Sahni - 5 years, 11 months ago

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