Falling stones from a balloon

A balloon carrying a man is rising up from a deep canyon. It reaches the ground level at time t = 0 t=0 with some speed. After some time from here, the person on the balloon drops stones at irregular intervals.

He observes that all the stones, no matter when they are dropped, takes equal time to reach the ground(at ground level). This time is equal to 2 u g \dfrac{2u}{g} .The important thing to note here is that u u is a constant with the units of velocity, and CAN NOT be assumed to be the initial velocity of the balloon, or the velocity of the balloon at the time of dropping of the stone. It might be equal to one of these, or it might be equal to something else entirely. What exactly it is, we dont know. All we know is that it's magnitude is 25 m/s 25 \text{m/s} .

In the above scenario, find the magnitude of the acceleration of the balloon in m/s 2 \text{m/s}^2 at time t = 5 s t = 5\text{s} (i.e. 5 seconds after the balloon reaches the ground level).

Submit your answer to 3 decimal places.

Details and assumptions

g = 10 m/s 2 g = 10\text{m/s}^2

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The answer is 1.839.

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3 solutions

Brian Moehring
Mar 1, 2017

Let h ( t ) h(t) denote the height of the balloon t t seconds into its journey.

If we release the stone at time t = t 0 t = t_0 , then it will experience projectile motion with initial height h ( t 0 ) h(t_0) and initial velocity h ( t 0 ) h'(t_0) , giving the equation of motion for the height f ( t ) f(t) the stone is above ground as f ( t ) = h ( t 0 ) + h ( t 0 ) ( t t 0 ) g 2 ( t t 0 ) 2 , t t 0 f(t) = h(t_0) + h'(t_0)\cdot (t-t_0) - \frac{g}{2}\cdot (t-t_0)^2, \qquad t\geq t_0 We're told that the stone hits the ground 2 u g \frac{2u}{g} seconds after it is released, so 0 = f ( t 0 + 2 u g ) = h ( t 0 ) + h ( t 0 ) ( 2 u g ) g 2 ( 2 u g ) 2 0 = f\left(t_0 + \frac{2u}{g}\right) = h(t_0) + h'(t_0)\cdot \left(\frac{2u}{g}\right) - \frac{g}{2} \cdot \left(\frac{2u}{g}\right)^2 which can be rearranged as h ( t 0 ) + g 2 u h ( t 0 ) = u . h'(t_0) + \frac{g}{2u}\cdot h(t_0) = u.

The above derivation works for every t 0 t_0 and u u is independent of t 0 t_0 , so it still works if we replace the arbitrary constant t 0 t_0 with the variable t t . Also, since the balloon is at ground level at t = 0 t=0 , it follows that h h satisfies the following initial value problem: h ( t ) + g 2 u h ( t ) = u , t 0 h ( 0 ) = 0 \begin{aligned}h'(t) + \frac{g}{2u}\cdot h(t) &= u, \qquad t\geq 0 \\ h(0) &= 0\end{aligned}

This may be solved by your favorite method [I'm partial to treating it as a first-order linear differential equation, if you couldn't guess by how I wrote it] to find h ( t ) = 2 u 2 g ( 1 e g t / ( 2 u ) ) h(t) = \frac{2u^2}{g}\left(1 - e^{-gt/(2u)}\right)

Then differentiating twice h ( t ) = g 2 e g t / ( 2 u ) h''(t) = -\frac{g}{2}e^{-gt/(2u)} and setting g = 10 g=10 , t = 5 t=5 , and u = 25 u=25 yields h ( 5 ) = 5 e 1 1.83939721 m / s 2 h''(5) = -5e^{-1} \approx -1.83939721\,\,\, m/s^2

Since the question asks for the magnitude of the acceleration, the answer is 1.839 \boxed{1.839} .

Rohith M.Athreya
Mar 3, 2017

We will first write the equation of motion of stone.Let upwards be positive.

( v ( t ) ) t g 2 t 2 = y ( t ) \large (v(t))t-\frac{g}{2}t^{2}=-y(t) It is given that t = 5 s t=5s .

By differentiating this equation of motion wrt time, a ( t ) = v ( t ) 5 \large a(t)=\frac{-v(t)}{5}

Now,by integrating this equation of motion wrt time, 5 l n v ( t ) 25 = 5 l n a ( t ) 5 = t a ( 5 ) = 5 e \large -5ln\frac{|v(t)|}{25}=-5ln\frac{|-a(t)|}{5}=t \implies |a(5)|=\frac{5}{e}

Can you show the details in your steps? To me, it looks like you have decoupled the equations of motion [for the balloon] from g g in your first step and I cannot figure out where it would appear again in your solution.

Brian Moehring - 4 years, 3 months ago

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Oh no,no!it appears at every step as g/2 which is 5. Since the time specified is also 5 maybe it looks fuzzy. I'll try and more detail

Rohith M.Athreya - 4 years, 3 months ago

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Have you thought of a way to add more details?

Brian Moehring - 4 years, 3 months ago

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@Brian Moehring @Brian Moehring I was restrained by latex. Sorry for the delay.I took a pic of what i was doing and posted it.Hope it is legible??

Rohith M.Athreya - 4 years, 3 months ago

As balloon has some acceleration . So does the stone gets that acceleration when it is dropped ???

Sudhamsh Suraj - 4 years, 3 months ago

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of couse,not!

Rohith M.Athreya - 4 years, 3 months ago

even if u wanted to say that,it is for a very short time and inconsequential as we are neglecting the contact time

Rohith M.Athreya - 4 years, 3 months ago
Pranav Saxena
Feb 27, 2017

We begin with the standard equation of motion : -

h t = h 0 + v t g t 2 2 h_t = h_0 + vt - \dfrac{gt^2}{2}

where ;

h t h_t is the height of the stone from the ground at any time t t .

h 0 h_0 is the height of the balloon from the ground at the time of dropping of the stone.

v v is the velocity of the balloon at the time of dropping of stone.

Putting t = 2 u g t = \dfrac{2u}{g} , we get :-

2 u 2 g = 2 u g v + h 0 \dfrac{2u^2}{g} =\dfrac{2u}{g}v + h_0

Rearranging, we get :-

v = u g h 0 2 u v = u - \dfrac{gh_0}{2u}

Now, the velocity of the balloon is but the rate of change of the height of the balloon above the ground, i.e. d h 0 d t \dfrac{dh_0}{dt} Thus,

d h 0 d t = u g h 0 2 u \dfrac{dh_0}{dt} = u - \dfrac{gh_0}{2u}

d h 0 ( u g h 0 2 u ) = d t \cfrac{dh_0}{\left(u - \cfrac{gh_0}{2u}\right)} = dt

Integrating both sides :-

d h 0 ( u g h 0 2 u ) = d t \displaystyle\int\cfrac{dh_0}{\left(u - \cfrac{gh_0}{2u}\right)} = \displaystyle\int{dt}

NOTE the fact that we haven’t used any limits here, so we will have to introduce a constant of integration.

T = 2 u g ln ( u g h 0 2 u ) + C T = -\dfrac{2u}{g}\ln\left(u - \dfrac{gh_0}{2u}\right) + C

Now, it is given that at time t = 0 t = 0 , the balloon is on the ground.( h 0 = 0 h_0 = 0 )

0 = 2 u g ln u + C 0 = - \dfrac{2u}{g}\ln u + C So,

C = 2 u g ln u C = \dfrac{2u}{g}\ln u

Using this, we have : -

T = 2 u g ln u ( u g h 0 2 u ) T = \dfrac{2u}{g}\ln\cfrac{u}{\left(u -\cfrac{gh_0}{2u}\right)}

Rearranging and making, h 0 h_0 as the subject of the equation we have :-

h 0 = 2 u 2 g [ 1 e ( g T 2 u ) ] \boxed{ \displaystyle h_0 = \dfrac{2u^2}{g}\left[1 - \displaystyle e^{\left(-\dfrac{gT}{2u}\right)} \right] }

Note at this point that we STILL don’t know what the hell u u is.

Lets find out.

Differentiate the equation for h 0 h_0 w.r.t time, and we have :-

v T = u e ( g T 2 u ) \boxed{v_T = ue^{\left(\dfrac{-gT}{2u}\right)} }

Now, lets put T = 0 T = 0 .

v T = 0 = u e 0 v_{T = 0} = \dfrac{u}{e^0} So,

u = v T = 0 u = v_{T = 0}

Thus, u u is the velocity with which the balloon rises from the ground.

Now to the final part of the question.

Differentiating the velocity of the balloon w.r.t time, we will get te acceleration of the balloon.

a t = g 2 e ( g T 2 u ) \boxed{a_t = -\dfrac{g}{2}e^{\left(-\dfrac{gT}{2u}\right)} }

Thus, now substituting the values of T T and u u given in the question, we have :-

a T = 5 = g 2 e 1 a_{T =5} = \dfrac{g}{2}e^{-1} So,

a T = 5 = 1.839 m / s 2 \boxed{a_{T =5} = -1.839 m/s^2}

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