An algebra problem by Viki Zeta

Algebra Level pending

Let A A denote the set of an arithmetic progression (AP) a 1 , a 2 , a 3 , , a 100 a_1, a_2, a_3, \ldots, a_{100} such that a n = 5 + ( n 1 ) 3 a_n = 5 + (n-1)3 and B B denote the set of an AP b 1 , b 2 , b 3 , , b 100 b_1, b_2, b_3, \ldots, b_{100} such that b n = 3 + ( n 1 ) 4 b_n = 3 + (n-1)4 . Such that n 1 n \ge 1

Find how many common terms are there in both the sets A A and B B .

Clarifications:

  • 'Common Terms' not necessarily mean that a n = b n a_n = b_n . It means for some value of items in A A and B B they are equal.

Hint :

  • Above clarification other words can be generalized as a n = b m , ( a , b ) Z a_n = b_m, ~ (a, b) \in \mathbb Z .


The answer is 25.

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1 solution

Viki Zeta
Nov 2, 2016

a n = b m a + ( n 1 ) d 1 = b + ( m 1 ) d 2 5 + ( n 1 ) 3 = 3 + ( m 1 ) 4 2 + 3 n 3 = 4 m 4 3 n 1 = 4 m 4 3 n + 3 = 4 m 3 ( n + 1 ) = 4 m n = 4 m 3 3 = 4 m 3 1 m = 3 n + 3 4 n < 101 4 m 3 1 < 101 4 m 3 < 102 4 m < 306 m < 76.5 m 76 also; n 100 Equal no of terms = n m + 1 = 100 76 + 1 = 25 a_n = b_m \\ a + (n-1)d_1 = b + (m-1)d_2 \\ 5 + (n-1)3 = 3 + (m-1)4 \\ 2 + 3n - 3 = 4m - 4 \\ 3n - 1 = 4m - 4\\ 3n +3 = 4m\\ 3(n+1) = 4m\\ n = \dfrac{4m - 3}{3} = \dfrac{4m}{3} - 1 ~~ m = \dfrac{3n+3}{4} \\ \implies n < 101 \\ \implies \dfrac{4m}{3} - 1 < 101 \\ \implies \dfrac{4m}{3} < 102 \\ \implies 4m < 306 \\ \implies m < 76.5 \\ \implies m \le 76 \\ \text{also; } ~~ n \le 100\\ \boxed{\therefore \text{Equal no of terms = } n - m + 1 = 100 - 76 + 1= 25}

The answer is 25. You're welcome to verify it yourself:

( a n ) (a_n) : (5, 8, 11 , 14, 17, 20, 23 , 26, 29, 32, 35 , 38, 41, 44, 47 , 50, 53, 56, 59 , 62, 65, 68, 71 , 74, 77, 80, 83 , 86, 89, 92, 95 , 98, 101, 104, 107 , 110, 113, 116, 119 , 122, 125, 128, 131 , 134, 137, 140, 143 , 146, 149, 152, 155 , 158, 161, 164, 167 , 170, 173, 176, 179 , 182, 185, 188, 191 , 194, 197, 200, 203 , 206, 209, 212, 215 , 218, 221, 224, 227 , 230, 233, 236, 239 , 242, 245, 248, 251 , 254, 257, 260, 263 , 266, 269, 272, 275 , 278, 281, 284, 287 , 290, 293, 296, 299 , 302)

( b n ) (b_n) : (3, 7, 11 , 15, 19, 23 , 27, 31, 35 , 39, 43, 47 , 51, 55, 59 , 63, 67, 71 , 75, 79, 83 , 87, 91, 95 , 99, 103, 107 , 111, 115, 119 , 123, 127, 131 , 135, 139, 143 , 147, 151, 155 , 159, 163, 167 , 171, 175, 179 , 183, 187, 191 , 195, 199, 203 , 207, 211, 215 , 219, 223, 227 , 231, 235, 239 , 243, 247, 251 , 255, 259, 263 , 267, 271, 275 , 279, 283, 287 , 291, 295, 299 , 303, 307, 311, 315, 319, 323, 327, 331, 335, 339, 343, 347, 351, 355, 359, 363, 367, 371, 375, 379, 383, 387, 391, 395, 399)

Ivan Koswara - 4 years, 7 months ago

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Uh! Sorry. IDK but that reference said it was 24. And I made a mistake in my soln too. It's n m + 1 n-m+1 terms. I'll edit the question.

Viki Zeta - 4 years, 7 months ago

@Vicky Vignesh A nice sum bro. But the next AP sum is unclear to me. What is r? and Are you in Facebook?

Md Zuhair - 4 years, 7 months ago

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r is just any variable less than 0. Btw no not in fb

Viki Zeta - 4 years, 7 months ago

Unfortunately an error occured in row 4 above. Indeed there are 25 equal terms!

Andreas Wendler - 4 years, 7 months ago

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No there are (n-1) no of terms. So (n-m)-1 terms. It is 24 in fact.

Viki Zeta - 4 years, 7 months ago

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Your calculation with the fourth row above is WRONG!

Andreas Wendler - 4 years, 7 months ago

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@Andreas Wendler It is indeed correct. Maybe you are wrong. The answer is indeed 24. If you want another type of soln look at here, prob no 3

Viki Zeta - 4 years, 7 months ago

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@Viki Zeta Check it manually for example via EXCEL...and you will see!!!

Andreas Wendler - 4 years, 7 months ago

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@Andreas Wendler you better take a look. If you look at given reference they took a_{n+1} no of terms so total no of terms in that world be n.

Viki Zeta - 4 years, 7 months ago

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@Viki Zeta That's RUBBISH! Read my posting carefully!

Andreas Wendler - 4 years, 7 months ago

@Viki Zeta To get common terms the indices for sequence a are calculated by 3+4k and for b by 3+3k (k>=0) delivering values till k=24. This however means we have 25 common terms!! What do you say now?

Andreas Wendler - 4 years, 7 months ago

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