Which coin is better? (Mathathon Problem 4)

You are playing a coin-tossing game. You can choose one of two coins, a fair coin that has a 50 50 50-50 chance of heads and tails respectively, and a biased coin that has a 75 25 75-25 chance of heads and tails respectively.

Would it be easier to get 4 4 heads with the first coin, or get 2 2 tails with the second coin?

(You get 4 throws with first coin, and 2 throws with second coin)

First scenario Second scenario Both are equally likely

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17 solutions

Julie Éthier
Mar 25, 2021

No real originality, but I can give anyone access to my new Brilliant currency (no bribe intent) lol

Siddhesh Umarjee
Mar 24, 2021

For every 4 flips of the fair coin. the biased coin is flipped 2 times.

The question implies that we have to compare the probability of the following scenarios ('events' for mathgeeks ):

1) All 4 flips of fair coin give head

2) All 2 flips of biased coin give tails

''Would it be easier to get 4 heads with the first coin, or get 2 tails with the second coin?'' is the same as asking ''Would it be easier to get 2 heads with the first coin, or get 1 tails with the second coin?'' Now lets compare these scenarios.

NOTE : Here though the probability would be different the inequality/equality would remain the same...


In 1st Scenario (Aim : 2 heads using fair coin)

Probability of getting heads in flip1 = 1 2 \frac{1}{2}

Probability of getting heads in flip2 = 1 2 \frac{1}{2}

Probability of 1st Scenario = 1 2 \dfrac{1}{2} * 1 2 \dfrac{1}{2} = 1 4 \dfrac{1}{4}


In 2nd Scenario (Aim : 1 tail using biased coin)

It is given that the coin has a 75-25 bias in favor of Heads. so probability of getting tails is 25 25 + 75 \dfrac{25}{25+75} = 1 4 \dfrac{1}{4}


Since both scenarios have a 1 in 4 chance Both are equally likely .

uhhh The Question was edited later to include the number of flips... currently I've taken it under assumptions..... I hope thats ok

Siddhesh Umarjee - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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You can edit your solution if you want to.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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is it necessary?? never mind i'll edit it.... Done!!

Siddhesh Umarjee - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Siddhesh Umarjee No, I don't think its necessary. I only said you can if you want to. If you don't I will give you scores :)

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@A Former Brilliant Member its edited!! So ya I'd like to see my score

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@Siddhesh Umarjee Ok, great :)

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Devbrat Dandotiya
Mar 24, 2021

In the fair coin scenario, since the two outcomes of heads and tails are equally likely, the respective probabilities of a given sample point being the outcome is same for all the given sample points for the sample space "The coin is thrown 4 times" , which is

S f-4 = ( H H H H , H H H T , H H T H , H H T T , H T H H , H T H T , H T T H , H T T T , T H H H , T H H T , T H T H , T H T T , T T H H , T T H T , T T T H , T T T T ) S_{\text{f-4}}=(HHHH, HHHT, HHTH, HHTT, HTHH, HTHT, HTTH, HTTT, THHH, THHT, THTH, THTT, TTHH, TTHT, TTTH, TTTT)

The probability of each of these sample points being the outcome must be 1 2 × 1 2 × 1 2 × 1 2 = 1 16 \dfrac{1}{2}×\dfrac{1}{2}×\dfrac{1}{2}×\dfrac{1}{2}=\dfrac{1}{16} , since there are sixteen ( 2 4 ) (2^4) , equally likely possibilities, consequently, we can say that the probability of outcome being ( H H H H ) (HHHH) , is just that, 1 16 \dfrac{1}{16} .

A similar approach to the unfair coin gives us the sample space for the unfair coin, "The coin is thrown 2 times" given by,

S uf-2 = ( H H , H T , T H , T T ) S_{\text{uf-2}}= (HH, HT, TH, TT)

Here the probabilities for heads and tails are 75 100 = 3 4 \dfrac{75}{100}=\dfrac{3}{4} and 25 100 = 1 4 \dfrac{25}{100}=\dfrac{1}{4} respectively. Thus the probabilities achieved by each of the sample points in the sample space S uf-2 S_{\text{uf-2}} ,

H H = 3 4 × 3 4 = 9 16 HH= \dfrac{3}{4}×\dfrac{3}{4} =\dfrac{9}{16}

H T = 3 4 × 1 4 = 3 16 HT= \dfrac{3}{4}×\dfrac{1}{4} =\dfrac{3}{16}

T H = 1 4 × 3 4 = 3 16 TH= \dfrac{1}{4}×\dfrac{3}{4} =\dfrac{3}{16}

T T = 1 4 × 1 4 = 1 16 TT= \dfrac{1}{4}×\dfrac{1}{4} =\dfrac{1}{16}

We see the sample point ( H H H H ) (HHHH) in S f-4 S_{\text{f-4}} and the sample point ( T T ) (TT) in S uf-2 S_{\text{uf-2}} both are equally likely having a probability of 1 16 \dfrac{1}{16} .

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A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I'm done, in the wake of ingenuity I entered a foolish realm.

Devbrat Dandotiya - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Okay (some text)

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Omek K
Mar 24, 2021

Let H denote Heads, and T denotes Tails

For the 4 Heads case - the possibilities are

  • (H,H,H,H)
  • (H,H,H,T) and its permutations
  • (H,H,T,T) and its permutations
  • (H,T,T,T) and its permutations
  • (T,T,T,T)

There are total of 16 possibilities out of which (H,H,H,H) is only 1 possibility. Therefore it's probability = 1 16 \frac{1}{16}

For the 2 Tails case - the possibilities are

  • (H,H) -> 9 times because H has 3 4 \frac{3}{4} chance, therefore H×H = 3 × 3 4 × 4 \frac{3×3}{4×4} = 9 16 \frac{9}{16}
  • (H,T) and its permutations-> 3 times because H has 3 4 \frac{3}{4} chance, therefore H×T = 3 × 1 4 × 4 \frac{3×1}{4×4} = 3 16 \frac{3}{16}
  • (T,T)

There are total of 16 possibilities out of which (T,T) is only 1 possibility. Therefore it's probability = 1 16 \frac{1}{16}

Therefore both cases are equally likely.

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A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Percy Jackson Well I actually solved the question considering the specified no of counts only, so I guess no change in my solution. Will I get my scores now ?

Omek K - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Not exactly now, after some time, because I have to post more problems.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Ok, small request can you post a question where we can write solutions with ingenuity

Omek K - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Omek K I will try my best :)

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@A Former Brilliant Member Thanks a lot

Omek K - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Zakir Husain
Mar 24, 2021

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A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Edited!, No editing needed from now

Zakir Husain - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Ok, great I'll give scores after some time.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Sarah Alam
Mar 24, 2021

The first one, is a fifty-fifty chance, which is 50 100 \frac{50}{100} , which simplifies to 1 2 \frac{1}{2}

Because we have four flips for the first one, we need to multiply the probabilities.

1 2 \frac{1}{2} times 1 2 \frac{1}{2} times 1 2 \frac{1}{2} times 1 2 \frac{1}{2} equals 1 16 \frac{1}{16}

And for the other one, as it is twenty five - seventy five ( 25 100 \frac{25}{100} ), we can simplify it to make 1 4 \frac{1}{4}

Two times we flip it, so we multiply twice.

1 4 \frac{1}{4} times 1 4 \frac{1}{4} equals 1 16 \frac{1}{16}

The answer is... B o t h Both a r e are e q u a l l y equally l i k e l y likely

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A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Okay, I’ve changed it.

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Great (some text)

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Most Common Solution -

Probability of Case 1 1 - ( 1 2 ) 4 = 1 16 (\dfrac{1}{2})^4 = \dfrac{1}{16}

Probability of Case 2 2 - ( 1 4 ) 2 = 1 16 (\dfrac{1}{4})^2 = \dfrac{1}{16}

Thus, both scenarios are equally likely.

I made this one too easy...and there aren't many ingenuity points on this as far as i know...

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

If I copy and paste your solution, will I get 10 points?

Vinayak Srivastava - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Totally you might get 5 but I can’t guarantee that

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Now everyone has written way more than what I can write lol

Vinayak Srivastava - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Bruh you didn’t tell how many times you have to throw the coin

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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But I was dumb too, for some reason I got it fixed in my head that the coin was thrown six times

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Ok, I added that.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

May I make a comment about the solution?

Pop Wong - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Yeah, sure @Pop Wong

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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to get 4 heads with the first coin, or get 2 tails

I interpret it is not successive to get 4 heads or 2 tails.

It looks there is another approach to get the result though the answer is same for this question's setting.

Pop Wong - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Pop Wong I meant successive but forgot to mention it. I added that you get 4 throws for coin 1 and 2 throws for coin 2. Does that make it clear?

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member It is clear now.

But it is okay for not successive , and discuss which event is easier (faster) to acheive.

Pop Wong - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Kevin Long
Mar 27, 2021

Since the probability α \alpha of an event happening n n times is α n \alpha^n , the probability of each outcome is
1 2 4 \frac{1}{2}^4 and
1 4 2 \frac{1}{4}^2 .
Because 1 2 2 = 1 4 \frac{1}{2}^2=\frac{1}{4} , we have 1 2 4 = 1 4 2 \frac{1}{2}^4=\frac{1}{4}^2 , and since 1 4 2 = 1 4 2 \frac{1}{4}^2=\frac{1}{4}^2 , the two outcomes have the same probability.


Atin Gupta
Mar 25, 2021

If the probability of getting a result of an unconditional event ’E’ is P(E), the probability of getting it N times would be P(E ) N . \text{If the probability of getting a result of an unconditional event 'E' is P(E), the probability of getting it N times would be P(E})^N.


Chance of getting 4 heads with the first coin = ( 50 100 ) 4 = ( 1 2 ) 4 = 1 16 \text{Chance of getting 4 heads with the first coin} = (\frac{50}{100})^4 = (\frac{1}{2})^4 = \boxed{\dfrac{1}{16}}

Chance of getting 2 tails with the second coin = ( 25 100 ) 2 = ( 1 4 ) 2 = 1 16 \text{Chance of getting 2 tails with the second coin} = (\frac{25}{100})^2 = (\frac{1}{4})^2 = \boxed{\dfrac{1}{16}}

Hence, both probabilities are equally likely. \text{Hence, both probabilities are equally likely. }

INCOMPLETE

Jeff Giff
Mar 25, 2021

From the question, we have:
The chance of getting heads tossing the fair coin once is 1 2 \frac{1}{2} while the chance of getting tails tossing the biased coin once is 1 4 \frac{1}{4} .
Then we can use theorem ‘if the probability of event A A is P ( A ) P(A) , the probability of the event A A repeated n n times is P ( A ) n . P(A)^n. But why?

Explanation:

See this Venn diagram for example.


Therefore the theorem works.
The probability of getting four heads tossing the fair coin four times is ( 1 2 ) 4 = 1 16 (\frac{1}{2})^4=\frac{1}{16} .
The probability of getting two heads tossing the fair coin twice is ( 1 4 ) 2 = 1 16 (\frac{1}{4})^2=\frac{1}{16} .

So the two probabilities are equal.

Oskar Dobroczek
Mar 25, 2021

Let the first coin be α \alpha , the second coin be β \beta , the probability for heads or tails with either coin c c be p c ( H ) p_c(H) and p c ( T ) p_c(T) and the probability for the final scenarios be P 1 P_1 and P 2 P_2 respectively. From the given values we can conclude that p α ( H ) = p α ( T ) = 1 2 p β ( H ) = 3 4 p β ( T ) = 1 4 \begin{aligned} p_\alpha(H) = p_\alpha(T) &= \frac{1}{2}\\[7pt] p_\beta(H) &= \frac{3}{4}\\ p_\beta(T) &= \frac{1}{4} \end{aligned} By using the multiplicative property of constant probabilities, we find P 1 = p α ( H H H H ) = p α 4 ( H ) = ( 1 2 ) 4 = 1 16 P 2 = p β ( T T ) = p α 2 ( T ) = ( 1 4 ) 2 = 1 16 \begin{aligned} P_1 &= p_\alpha(HHHH) = p^4_\alpha(H) = \left(\frac{1}{2}\right)^4 = \frac{1}{16}\\ P_2 &= p_\beta(TT) = p^2_\alpha(T) = \left(\frac{1}{4}\right)^2 = \frac{1}{16}\\ \end{aligned} and therefore P 1 = P 2 . P_1 = P_2.

Agent T
Mar 25, 2021

The two events h e a d s \textcolor{#D61F06}{{heads}} and t a i l s \textcolor{#CEBB00}{{tails}} are independent I.e.

probability of one's occurence or non-occurence will NOT affect the probability of the other one's.

Probability of independent events is given by:

P ( E 1 E 2 ) = P ( E 1 ) P ( E 2 ) \textcolor{#67D94C}{P(E1∩E2)=P(E1)*P(E2)}

Applying it to the first case , when the coin is ( u n b i a s e d \textcolor{#69047E}{ unbiased} (unbiased coins have a probability of 50% each outcome))

Where, E1={HEADS}

E2={HEADS}

||ly,E3={HEADS}

E4={HEADS}

Visualization of the mentioned sets using Venn diagrams Visualization of the mentioned sets using Venn diagrams We have to find the probability of 4heads

E1∩E2∩E3∩E4={H,H,H,H}

p ( 1 H ) = 50 % = 1 / 2 ( g i v e n ) \textcolor{#20A900}{p(1H)=50\%=1/2(given)}

p ( E 1 E 2 E 3 E 4 ) = ( 1 / 2 ) ( 1 / 2 ) ( 1 / 2 ) ( 1 / 2 ) = 1 / 16 \textcolor{#D61F06}{p(E1∩E2∩E3∩E4)=(1/2)*(1/2)*(1/2)*(1/2)=1/16} [tossed 4 times]

Case 2 : when the coin is b i a s e d \textcolor{#20A900}{ biased} (p(H)=75% and p(T)=25% =1/4 )(given)

Note that even if the coin is biased , probability of heads will not affect the probability of tails and vice versa

And, E6={TAILS} E7={TAILS}

E6∩E7={T,T} So,

P ( T , T ) = 1 / 4 1 / 4 = 1 / 16 \textcolor{#D61F06}{P(T,T)=1/4*1/4=1/16} [tossed two times]


P ( 4 h e a d s ) \textcolor{#69047E}{P(4 heads)} in Case 1= P ( 2 t a i l s ) \textcolor{#69047E}{P(2 tails)} in Case 2


Probability {H,H,H,H}(unbiased)=probability {T,T}(baised)

Hence option (c) is correct,they are equally likely.

Avner Lim
Mar 25, 2021

If we throw the first coin 4 4 times, there are 16 16 possible outcomes, which are: H H H H , T T T T , H T T T , T H T T , T T H T , T T T H , T H H H , H T H H , H H T H , H H H T , H H T T , T T H H , H T H T , T H T H , H T T H , T H H T HHHH, TTTT, HTTT, THTT, TTHT, TTTH, THHH, HTHH, HHTH, HHHT, HHTT, TTHH, HTHT, THTH, HTTH, THHT ( H H is heads and T T is tails). The probability of getting H H H H HHHH is 1 1 option that has all heads out of 16 16 options that could possibly happen, which is 1 16 \frac{1}{16} . If we thrown the second dice twice, there are 4 4 possible outcomes: H T , T H , H H , T T HT, TH, HH, TT . The probability of getting T T TT is 1 4 × 1 4 = 1 16 \frac{1}{4} \times \frac{1}{4} = \frac{1}{16} (Multiply it by 1 4 \frac{1}{4} because probability of getting T T is 1 4 \frac{1}{4} ). Since 1 16 = 1 16 \frac{1}{16} = \frac{1}{16} , Both are equally likely.

Sundar R
Mar 24, 2021

Probability of 4 heads in 4 tosses of fair coin : 4C4*(1/2)^4 = 1 * 1/16 = 1/16.

Probability of 2 tails in 2 tosses of biased coin with probability of tossing tails in a single throw = 0.25 or 1/4 : 2C2 * (1/4)^2 = 1/16.

Hence, both probabilities are equal

By the fundamental principle of counting, we know that since we need to throw the given number of dice, we need to multiply the probabilities of successive throws to get the probability of an event.

For the first event, the probability of getting a heads in one throw is 1 2 \dfrac{1}{2} (given). Since four throws are performed, the total probability is ( 1 2 ) 4 = 1 16 . \left(\dfrac{1}{2}\right)^4=\dfrac{1}{16}.

For the second event, the probability of getting a tails in one throw is 1 4 \dfrac{1}{4} (given). Since two throws are performed, the total probability is ( 1 4 ) 2 = 1 16 . \left(\dfrac{1}{4}\right)^2=\dfrac{1}{16}.

Hence, both events are equally likely.

Morris Pearl
Mar 24, 2021

Both are straight forward applications of binomial theorem:

First Scenario: ( 4 4 ) 1 2 4 ( 1 1 2 ) 0 = 1 2 4 = 1 16 {4 \choose 4} \cdot \frac{1}{2} ^ 4 \cdot (1 - \frac{1}{2})^0 = {\frac{1}{2}} ^ 4 = \frac{1}{16}

Second Scenario: ( 2 2 ) 1 4 2 ( 1 1 4 ) 0 = 1 4 2 = 1 16 {2 \choose 2} \cdot \frac{1}{4} ^ 2 \cdot (1 - \frac{1}{4})^0 = {\frac{1}{4}} ^ 2 = \frac{1}{16}

QED

Aditya Mittal
Mar 24, 2021

For the first coin:

P(getting heads once) = 50 100 = 1 2 =\dfrac{50}{100} = \dfrac{1}{2}

P(tossing it 4 times and getting heads 4 times) = 1 2 × 1 2 × 1 2 × 1 2 = ( 1 2 ) 4 = 1 16 =\dfrac{1}{2} \times \dfrac{1}{2} \times \dfrac{1}{2} \times \dfrac{1}{2} = \left ( \dfrac{1}{2} \right )^4 = \dfrac{1}{16}


For the second coin:

P(getting tails once) = 25 100 = 1 4 =\dfrac{25}{100} = \dfrac{1}{4}

P(tossing it 2 times and getting tails 2 times) = 1 4 × 1 4 = ( 1 4 ) 2 = 1 16 =\dfrac{1}{4} \times \dfrac{1}{4} = \left (\dfrac{1}{4} \right )^2 = \dfrac{1}{16}


1 16 = 1 16 , \because\dfrac{1}{16} = \dfrac{1}{16},

P(tossing the first coin 4 times and getting heads) = P(tossing the second coin 2 times and getting tails)

Therefore Both are equally likely \boxed{\text{Both are equally likely}}

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