Given an equilateral △ A B C where E B = 2 ⋅ C E and A F = F B , which circle is larger?
You may want to do the arithmetic before you guess.
Bonus : If the ratio of the radius of the blue circle to the radius of the red circle is d a b + c , where a , b , c , d are positive integers with b square-free and d minimized. What is a + b + c + d ?
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I feel I've missed something obvious - is there an easy way to see that triangles C E P and B E F have the same area?
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If you could prove the height of CEP is twice the height of BEF, you can prove that... but how?
You can use coordinate geometry to show that P B ∣ ∣ C F and P B ⊥ F B .
Then the area of △ P B F is A △ P B F = 2 1 ⋅ B F ⋅ P B = A △ B E F + A △ P B E
and the area of △ P B C is A △ P B C = 2 1 ⋅ B F ⋅ P B = A △ C E P + A △ P B E
Therefore, 2 1 ⋅ B F ⋅ P B = A △ B E F + A △ P B E = A △ C E P + A △ P B E
which solves to A △ B E F = A △ C E P .
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Very nice - if only I'd bothered to actually draw that point!!
Menelaus' theorem is a convenient way to get P A = 2 P C and from this the fact that [ C E P ] = [ B E F ] follows easily. I' m about to post a solution that uses this idea.
Chris, I'm unable to post my solution for reasons I don't understand. I've reported it to Brilliant. I'll provide a quick sketch here. Reflect EF to the other side of the equilateral triangle intersecting AC at D. This forms a tangential kite, FECD, around the red circle. The area and perimeter of the kite are straightforward calculations once you know FE (==FD). Thus the radius of the red circle can be calculated.
While I don't yet see an easy way to show CEP and BEF have the same area, I was surprised to notice FECD has the same area. Interesting ...
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Chris, I'm unable to post my solution for reasons I don't understand. I've reported it to Brilliant.
Hi Chris, while you might have forwarded your issue to some other staff, a temporary solution for you is to post a solution as a comment, tag me, then I will convert your comment into a solution.
On the other hand, feel free to provide me (here, or in the report section) with some screenshot that shows that you are not able to submit a solution. I might be able to hasten up the process here.
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I have solved the posting problem. It turns out that I had deleted my original solution with the intent of rewriting it. Apparently that is not permitted. I get only one chance. I've already outlined my solution in a comment (above), and that is sufficient. Thank you.
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@Fletcher Mattox – Hi Fletcher, you're right. I've "un-deleted" your solution.
And yes, users do not currently have the ability to post another solution after they have deleted their solution.
Using a tangential polygon is very, very neat - I hope the issue with posting gets sorted out. I should have wondered why there wasn't a point "D" on the diagram!
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Yeah, point "D" was conspicuous by its absence, huh? I gave up posting my solution here. I am terribly clumsy with LaTeX and became frustrated.
Let the side-length of the equilateral triangle be
1
. Then we have
A
F
=
F
B
=
2
1
,
C
E
=
3
1
,
E
B
=
3
2
.
By cosine rule on
△
E
F
B
we get
E
F
2
=
B
E
2
+
B
F
2
−
2
B
E
⋅
B
F
⋅
cos
∠
F
B
E
=
(
3
2
)
2
+
(
2
1
)
2
−
2
⋅
3
2
⋅
2
1
⋅
cos
6
0
∘
=
3
6
1
3
⇒
E
F
=
6
1
3
For the calculation of the radius r of the blue circle we proceed as follows:
[ E B F ] = r ⋅ s ( where s is the semiperimeter of △ E B F ) ⇒ 2 1 ⋅ B F ⋅ B E ⋅ sin ∠ E B F = r ⋅ 2 1 ( 2 1 + 3 2 + 6 1 3 ) ⇒ 2 1 ⋅ 2 1 ⋅ 3 2 ⋅ sin 6 0 ∘ = r ⋅ 1 2 7 + 1 3 ⇒ r = 7 + 1 3 3
Now, let’s see two different ways to find the radius R of the red circle:
1st way (already mentioned by @Fletcher Mattox ) Consider point D on A C , such that A D = 2 ⋅ D C . Then, by symmetry D F is tangent to the red circle and consequently the kite C E F D is tangential to the red circle.
Thus, [ C E F D ] = 2 1 ⋅ ( p e r i m e t e r ) ⋅ ( i n r a d i u s ) = 2 1 ⋅ 2 ⋅ ( 3 1 + 6 1 3 ) ⋅ R = 6 2 + 1 3 ⋅ R ( 1 ) On the other hand,
[ C E F D ] = 2 1 ⋅ C F ⋅ D E = 2 1 ⋅ 2 3 ⋅ 3 1 = 1 2 3 ( 2 ) Combining ( 1 ) and ( 2 ) ,
6 2 + 1 3 ⋅ R = 1 2 3 ⇔ R = 4 + 2 1 3 3
2nd way
Let
P
be the intersection of lines
A
C
and
F
E
. Then, the red circle is an excircle of
△
P
C
E
.
Denoting by
s
′
the semiperimeter of
△
P
C
E
, we have
[
P
C
E
]
=
R
⋅
(
s
′
−
C
E
)
(
3
)
Line
P
F
is a transversal of
△
A
B
C
, hence, by Menelaus’ theorem we have
P C P A ⋅ F A F B ⋅ E B E C = 1 ⇒ P C P A ⋅ 1 ⋅ 2 1 = 1 ⇒ P A = 2 ⋅ P C ⇒ P C = C A = 1 Therefore,
[ P C E ] = 2 1 ⋅ P C ⋅ C E ⋅ sin ∠ P C E = 2 1 ⋅ 1 ⋅ 3 1 ⋅ sin 1 2 0 ∘ = 1 2 3 By cosine rule on △ P C E we have
P E 2 = C E 2 + P C 2 − 2 ⋅ C E ⋅ P C ⋅ cos ∠ P C E = ( 3 1 ) 2 + 1 2 − 2 ⋅ 3 1 ⋅ cos 1 2 0 ∘ = 9 1 3 Hence, P E = 3 1 3 and s ′ − C E = 2 1 ⋅ ( 1 + 3 1 + 3 1 3 ) − 3 1 = 6 2 + 1 3 .
Substituting in ( 3 ) we get 1 2 3 = R ⋅ 6 2 + 1 3 ⇒ R = 4 + 2 1 3 3
To conclude, since r = 7 + 1 3 3 ≈ 0 . 1 6 3 3 and R = 4 + 2 1 3 3 ≈ 0 . 1 5 4 5 , the b l u e circle is larger.
Bonus: The ratio of the radius of the blue circle to the radius of the red circle is
4
+
2
1
3
3
7
+
1
3
3
=
7
+
1
3
4
+
2
1
3
=
(
7
+
1
3
)
⋅
(
7
−
1
3
)
(
4
+
2
1
3
)
⋅
(
7
−
1
3
)
=
3
6
1
0
1
3
+
2
=
1
8
5
1
3
+
1
.
Thus,
a
+
b
+
c
+
d
=
5
+
1
3
+
1
+
1
8
=
3
7
.
Wow. Nice work. And thank you for making my solution real!
Thanks! It is a nice problem, as usual. Keep surprising us with your ingenuity in finding circles that are almost congruent.
Let the side length of equilateral △ A B C be 1 . Then E B = 3 2 and F B = 2 1 . Let F be the origin ( 0 , 0 ) of the x y -plane, then the coordinates of E are ( 6 1 , 3 1 ) . And E F = 3 6 1 + 3 1 = 6 1 3 .
Let the radius of the blue circle be r 1 . Since it is the inradius of △ E F B , then the area of the △ E F B is given by:
[ E F B ] 2 1 ⋅ E B ⋅ F E ⋅ sin 6 0 ∘ E B ⋅ F E ⋅ sin 6 0 ∘ ⟹ r 1 = 2 ( E B + F B + E F ) r 1 = 2 ( E B + F B + E F ) r 1 = ( E B + F B + E F ) r 1 = 3 2 + 2 1 + 6 1 3 3 2 ⋅ 2 1 ⋅ 2 3 = 7 + 1 3 3 ≈ 0 . 1 6 3 3
Let the center of the red circle be O . We note that O lie on A F or the y -axis. Let O be ( 0 , h ) , the radius of the red circle be r 2 , and ∠ C F E = θ . Then we note that r 2 = h sin θ and r 2 = ( 2 3 − h ) sin 3 0 ∘ = 2 1 ( 2 3 − h ) ⟹ h = 2 3 − 2 r 2 . Then we have:
r 2 ⟹ r 2 = ( 2 3 − 2 r 2 ) sin θ = 2 1 3 3 − 4 r 2 = 4 + 2 1 3 3 ≈ 0 . 1 5 4 5 Note that tan θ = 6 3 ⟹ sin θ = 1 3 1
Therefore r 1 > r 2 ; the blue circle is larger.
Bonus :
r 2 r 1 = 7 + 1 3 4 + 2 1 3 = ( 7 + 1 3 ) ( 7 − 1 3 ) ( 4 + 2 1 3 ) ( 7 − 1 3 ) = 3 6 2 + 1 0 1 3 = 1 8 1 + 5 1 3
Lets look at the red circle first. If line CE is less than AF, and the red circle is closer to line CE, then the diameter of the red circle is less than half of the length of one side of the triangle.
Because line FB is half the length of one of the sides of the circle, and the blue circle is near line FB; the length of the diameter of the blue circle is exaxtly half of the length of the equalateral triangle.
We know the length of a circle's diameter can deterime the length of the entire circle because the radius of the circle is 2 1 diameter, and the area of a circle is π ⋅ radius squared, which means the diameter of the circle can also determine the area.
Obviously, half is greater than less than half (assuming we're revering to the length of one side of the equalateral triangle, where the length never changes), so the blue circle is greater than the red circle.
The blue diameter is not exactly half of the equilateral triangle side. If the side is 1, then the blue diameter is 3 + 7 2 3 ≈ 0 . 3 2 7 .
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My point was: that based on the line information, the blue diameter was bigger than the red. That I was correct on.
Although I didn't actually take the time to solve using algebra and arithmetic, I still used basic logic to get a general idea of the areas.
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Yes, you got the right answer, but if you base that answer on
"the length of the diameter of the blue circle is exaxtly half of the length of the equalateral triangle."
then your logic is flawed.
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For ease of calculation, let the side-length of the equilateral triangle be 6 .
The blue circle is the incircle of Δ B E F . We know two sides and the included angle for this triangle; so it's fully defined. Specifically, we know B E = 4 , ∠ F B E = 6 0 ∘ , B F = 3
There are lots of way to work out the inradius; I'll use r s = Δ , where r is the inradius, s is the semi-perimeter and Δ is the area of the triangle.
To find s , we need to know E F . Using the cosine rule, E F 2 = B E 2 + B F 2 − 2 B E ⋅ B F ⋅ cos ∠ F B E = 4 2 + 3 2 − 2 ⋅ 4 ⋅ 3 ⋅ 2 1 = 1 3
so E F = 1 3 , and s = 2 1 ( 7 + 1 3 ) .
The area is Δ = 2 1 B E ⋅ B F sin ∠ F B E = 2 1 ⋅ 4 ⋅ 3 ⋅ 2 3 = 3 3
so we find the radius of the blue circle is 7 + 1 3 6 3 ≈ 0 . 9 8
We have to treat the red circle differently. Extend the lines F E and A C to meet at a point P . The red circle is an excircle of the triangle C E P .
Note that ∠ C E P = ∠ B E F , which we know from the previous triangle. We also know ∠ E C P = 1 2 0 ∘ and C E = 2 , so now this triangle is fully defined.
Using r ′ , s ′ , Δ ′ for the inradius, semi=perimeter and area of triangle C F P , and R for the radius of the red circle, we have R = s ′ − C E Δ ′
This solution is already getting a bit long, and most of this is standard manipulation now, so in summary:
by the sine rule in Δ B E F , we find ∠ C E P = ∠ B E F = sin − 1 2 1 3 3 3
using the sine rule in Δ C E P we get Δ ′ = 3 3 and s ′ = 4 + 1 3
so the radius of the red circle is 2 + 1 3 3 3 ≈ 0 . 9 3
Comparing these results, we see the blue circle is larger, but not by much.
The ratio of the radius of the blue circle to the radius of the red circle is 7 + 1 3 4 + 2 1 3 = 1 8 1 ( 1 + 5 1 3 )