Will It Grow Or Shrink?

The left photo is an expansion joint in a road bridge used to avoid damage from thermal expansion. Thermal expansion is the tendency of matter to change in volume in response to a change in temperature.

The photo on the right is an iron plate with a hole in it.

If this iron plate is heated, will the size of the hole grow or shrink?

Grow Shrink Will not change It can't be predicted

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19 solutions

Adam Buck
Feb 27, 2014

Suppose we had a metal disk of the same material at the same temperature which perfectly filled in the hole. If we then heat the material, I think no one would argue that the disk would expand and keep the hole filled. Afterward, we remove the now expanded disk and see that the hole must also have expanded.

this does not conclude that hole grows, because i think the metal expands in the direction it finds free space.

Malik Sohail Afzal - 7 years, 3 months ago

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The Hole grows coz when we heat something, the linear measures in the same proportion As if we make five holes also the expansion takes place in the same dimensions...Try to understand.. The conclusion is if we heat any substance -- Linear dimensions change by same proportion but angular dimensions are not changedd..

Piyush Khushlani - 7 years, 3 months ago

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so you r saying that if we heat a circular disk it would not expand/contract." Linear dimensions change by same proportion but angular dimensions are not changed"

Malik Sohail Afzal - 7 years, 2 months ago

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@Malik Sohail Afzal I agree with Malik , the holes must shrink in order to aid the volume expansion. There is nothing inside the hole that will push the expanding material outwards to make the hole grow bigger, and nothing is stopping at the circumference that the hole will remain same. Hence it is free for the expanding material to occupy the free space.

John Samuel - 7 years, 2 months ago

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@John Samuel i.e. if there were no hole then there would be a bulge in its place?

Pragyanshu Singh - 7 years, 2 months ago

yes

Sasmita Lisha - 7 years, 2 months ago

me 2 thoughtlyk dat

Shaik Asif Ahmad - 7 years, 3 months ago

the hole should shrink because due to thermal expansion the molecules of plate will move apart due to this they move where they find free space so metal plate will grow but hole will shrink.......

Prashant Shrivastava - 7 years, 3 months ago

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the molecules of the plate tend to move apart due to thermal expansion..then if they move into the free space of the hole they will get closer ..but not apart..hence they move away and the hole increases in size.

Goutham Muppalla - 7 years, 2 months ago

i agree with malik and there fore the hole should shrink

Kungu Panda - 7 years, 3 months ago

suppose that is a metallic ring of same radius then that ring will expand ..This case is same like that. don't see all of metallic plate ,just take (r+dr) radius around the hole and treat it as a ring.........................

Vijay Singh Yadav - 7 years, 3 months ago

it is same as example of railway track.at railway track we see expansion joint to avoid the sun kink.expansion joint absorb the thermal expansion. so 1st iron disk expand toward hole then hole is shrink.

Lalita Verma - 7 years, 3 months ago

oh my god, this is such a good explanation!

Samuel Wong - 7 years, 2 months ago

if you heat up the whole metal plate then the hole willl expand .. if you heat up only the surface of hole then it will shrink ..

Burhan Rehman - 7 years, 3 months ago

Why cant the metal surrounding the hole expand to the region of the hole and thus shrink it?

Harisree Krishnamoorthy - 7 years, 2 months ago

i got the answer wrong. my idea was that as the plate expands the metal of outer sphere will also expand towards the center as the atoms will have more free space to expand inwards rather than outwards. how this concept is wrong ???

Anom Ahmed - 7 years, 3 months ago

I think not ! I think that the volume of the hole won't change, cuz the change loss in radius will be as same as the increase in height !

Abd Al-Rahman Ibn Yasser - 7 years, 3 months ago

i think where ever metal got space it will expand due to free motion of molecules but its also depend on that "hole is fill with some other metal or any other thing or not is hole is fill in nut case hole grows while if hole is vacant then its will shrinks because its molecules get space inside so it will expand and shrink it"

Engr Rehan Khan Khattar - 7 years, 3 months ago

Adam, consider 2 equivalent solid metal tubes. Suppose we heat one, causing it to expand radially, and we do not heat the other.

If the tubes are sufficiently long, the heated one will increase in diameter as compared to its' old diameter more than it will increase in length as compared to its' old length.

If we then fold both tubes into circles, we will find that the increase in circumference of the heated tube is not enough to surpass the increase in diameter, and the hole inside the heated donut is smaller than the hole inside the larger one.

Matthew Helm - 7 years, 3 months ago

i think this is not the correct explanation..if we fill the hole with the disc of same material then the hole size will increase full if it is heated without any material filled inside the hole ,certainly the size of the hole will decrease ,means it will shrink.

Madhukar Mishra - 7 years, 3 months ago
Tunk-Fey Ariawan
Apr 2, 2014

Repost from : Physics Stack Exchange

Instead of a circular hole, let's think of a square hole. You can get a square hole two ways, you can cut it out of a complete sheet, or you can get one by cutting a sheet into 9 little squares and throwing away the center one. Since the 8 outer squares all get bigger when heat it, the inner square (the hole) also has to get bigger:

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Same thing happens with a round hole.


This is confusing to people because the primary experience they have with stuff getting larger when heated is by cooking. If you leave a hole in the middle of a cookie and cook it, yes, the cookie gets bigger and the hole gets smaller. But the reason for this is that the cookie isn't so solid. It's more like a liquid, it's deforming. And as Ilmari Karonen points out, the cookie sheet isn't expanding much so there are frictional forces at work.


Credit answer : Carl Brannen

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Saish Sankhe
Feb 27, 2014

simple logic, the metal plate will expand as a whole system hence the hole grows too

you're right. the hole will get larger because the molecules of the metal will expand. if the hole gets smaller, it indicates a decrease in the distances of the molecules in the metal.

Joshua John Manuel - 7 years, 3 months ago

I amholding a bag and holding it I revolves forming myself a centre but the bag does not move towrds me9towards centre of the circle.Can anyone explain why?

Asad Rehman Barkat - 7 years, 3 months ago

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Because centripetal force is compensated by centrifugal force.

Kartheek Gollanapalli - 7 years, 3 months ago

because you are providing the tangential force to the bag to move away from you(centrifugal), also your hold keeps the bag with you(centripetal).

Malik Sohail Afzal - 7 years, 3 months ago

it will grow

Gaurav Yadav - 7 years, 3 months ago

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the metal will grow and the hole gets shortened

Gaurav Yadav - 7 years, 3 months ago

when iron is heated at high temp. then iron melt.so it is not necessary that iron is expand outside or inside.because in the centre of iron disk is a hole or a free space.so it may be expand or shrink.

Lalita Verma - 7 years, 3 months ago

so whts the direction of melted iron disk?????????

Lalita Verma - 7 years, 3 months ago

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Lalit verma are you on facebook.

Himanshu Sharma - 7 years, 3 months ago

i can"t understand the question of asad rehman barkat.can u repeat it????

Lalita Verma - 7 years, 3 months ago

hmm

Lalita Verma - 7 years, 3 months ago
Vaibhav Jain
Feb 26, 2014

It will grow because in thermal expansion, object expand just like as a photograph (to say,).

it will grow because in thermal expansion distance between any , i mean any 2 points increase at molecular level

Annie Namdev - 7 years, 3 months ago

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This is the best explanation. Any two molecules on the metal would go farther than each other.

Mirza Baig - 7 years, 3 months ago

Excellent explanation. But if you only heat around the hole... :)

Bertrand Delvallee - 7 years, 3 months ago

Yeah.It will grow

Imrran Akhtar - 7 years, 3 months ago

I think that it must shrink because the metal expands to all directions and the particles surrounding the hole will too expand towards the hole causing it to shrink.

Punsisi Bandara Kiridana - 7 years, 3 months ago

As annie said growth because diametrically opposite points shall undergo expansion relative to each other

ARPIT p - 7 years, 3 months ago

IT WILL GROW BECAUSE ON HEATING THE OBJECT EXPAND

Aman Mishra - 7 years, 3 months ago

the metal will expand and will expand in every direction so metal surrounding the hole will expand and conquer the area under hole and does hole will shrink

Shivam Rajvanshi - 7 years, 3 months ago

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even i thot the same but check out Adam Buck's explanation. Then it wud be clear

Anoop Thomas - 7 years, 3 months ago

Vaibhav that is a predictive model that can only be relied on when the resistance to expansion is homogenous throughout the system.

Matthew Helm - 7 years, 3 months ago

grow

Pratim Das - 7 years, 3 months ago
Maharnab Mitra
Feb 27, 2014

The object expands in all directions on heating as if we are magnifying through a magnifying glass. So, the hole must also expand.

If the hole hadn't expanded, then that would have meant that some extra material had been added as the net mass would have increased then. But here, the mass is constant.

dude. here u cant relate mass with volume (direct proportionality) coz density is not constant.

Rahul Kumar - 7 years, 3 months ago

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i agree with rahul

Vishal Sharma - 7 years, 2 months ago
Soorya Narayan
Mar 3, 2014

Instead of a circular hole, let's think of a square hole. You can get a square hole two ways, you can cut it out of a complete sheet, or you can get one by cutting a sheet into 9 little squares and throwing away the center one. Since the 8 outer squares all get bigger when heat it, the inner square (the hole) also has to get bigger. The same thing happens with a circular hole.

Ayush Goel
Mar 2, 2014

think it as a ring, when you used to heat the ring its area will increase no doubt, so as in this problem the area of ring should increase owing to increase in area of hole and increase in radius and for them who think that area should decrease i am having an explanation think of the atoms of the material when they are heated the atoms or molecules tend go away from each other as their K.E increases so how would they come close to each other.......

Rajath Naik
Feb 27, 2015

Its obviously going to expand as that is the only possible scenario.coz its a hole.not metal.wel the metal surrounding the hole have 2 ways in which it can proceed but inwards is not plausible coz its constriction of the perimeter particles of the hole and we are talking about heat and expansion here. So the metal takes the other direction coz now it is free to expand limitlessly..of course practically it has a limit.lol.

Krishna J
Apr 3, 2014

The metal expands due to heating and hence as a result the hole becomes bigger you can try it out yourself ...

molecular/atomic space will increase after getting heat. As a result the circumference of the hole will increase as the molecules/atom is same number that are used to build the circumference.

METALS EXPAND UNIFORMLY PEOPLE SO EVERY PART EXPANDS... SO THE HOLE EXPANDS TOO...

Muhammad Umer
Mar 8, 2014

Because heat expand metal

it will shrink as the metal expands

Madireddy Sridhar - 7 years, 3 months ago

It's easy. Just like the base of thermal expansion.

Tushar Jha
Mar 8, 2014

in thermal expansion,everything grows !!

Suraj Upadhyay
Mar 1, 2014

every material grows if heated

Hole is a lack of material. That's all the sense of the question. :)

Bertrand Delvallee - 7 years, 3 months ago
Saumye Malhotra
Feb 28, 2014

the hole will expand too, just like, it was a metal disc in place of it.

Abdo Abdalla
Feb 28, 2014

The plate will be expand in 3D , then the hole will grow

Darshan Hari
Feb 28, 2014

it will expand on heating

Aditya Mundhra
Feb 27, 2014

metal expands on heating

the hole is not metal

Ahmed El-Gamal - 7 years, 3 months ago

expands

Mohammad Zubair - 7 years, 3 months ago

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