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Algebra Level 4

Find sum of negative roots of the following:

x 4 + 9 x 3 + 12 x 2 80 x 192 = 0 { x }^{ 4 }+{ 9x }^{ 3 }+{ 12x }^{ 2 }{ -80 }x-{ 192 }=0

Count repeated roots with multiplicity.


The answer is -12.

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1 solution

Rajen Kapur
Dec 16, 2014

As change of signs is one there is only one positive root and that is 3 (Found by inspection), As the sum of all the roots is 9, the remaining three negative roots must add up to 12.

Well you can't directly say that, because there might be some non-real roots at times. So first we need to check if all the roots are real or not, which, in this case, are all real.

Aditya Raut - 6 years, 5 months ago

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(Check for negative roots) By changing signs of odd powers, you get three sign changes., indicating three negative roots. Observation is enough. Calculation is not required.

Rajen Kapur - 6 years, 5 months ago

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No No No!!! When you get 3 sign changes, it implies there are either 3 or 1 negative roots.

This is like if you get 10 sign changes, it means there are 10 or 8 or 6 or 4 or 2 or 0 roots of the type. Thus if there are odd number of sign changes, it means there has to be AT LEAST ONE root of needed type. Note this, it makes a big difference!!

Aditya Raut - 6 years, 5 months ago

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@Aditya Raut Well said. That's a very common mistake made with Descartes Rule of Signs .

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 5 months ago

@Aditya Raut Good that you corrected me. I am often wrong in over simplifying.

Rajen Kapur - 6 years, 5 months ago

A simple example to demonstrate, see

f ( x ) = x 4 + x 3 x 1 = 0 f(x)=x^4+x^3-x-1 =0

Now number of sign changes for f ( x ) f(x) are 1 1 . Hence it has 1 positive root.

But f ( x ) = x 4 x 3 + x 1 f(-x) = x^4-x^3+x-1 this has 3 3 sign changes.

But you know what? There are not 3 negative roots, there's just one negative root.

x 4 + x 3 x 1 = 0 x 3 ( x + 1 ) 1 ( x + 1 ) = 0 ( x + 1 ) ( x 3 1 ) = 0 ( x + 1 ) ( x 1 ) ( x 2 + x + 1 ) = 0 x^4+x^3-x-1=0\\ \therefore x^3(x+1)-1(x+1)=0\\ \therefore (x+1)(x^3-1)=0\\ \therefore (x+1)(x-1)(x^2+x+1)=0

And x 2 + x + 1 = 0 x^2+x+1=0 has got no real roots, so you can't define +ve and -ve for them, I think I have made it quite clear now....

Aditya Raut - 6 years, 5 months ago

according to me

x 4 + 9 x 3 + 12 x 2 80 x 192 = ( x 3 ) ( x + 4 ) 3 x^4+9x^3+12x^2-80x-192 = (x-3)(x+4)^3 so there are three negative roots ( 4 , 4 , 4 -4,-4,-4 ) and their sum is 12 \huge\boxed{-12}

what say @Mehul Chaturvedi

Parth Lohomi - 6 years, 3 months ago

Dear @Calvin Lin Sir, I feel that there is just one negative root, 4 -4 , so why do we sum it 3 3 times? I think I am missing something. Please help me. Thanks!

Vinayak Srivastava - 11 months ago

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I added "Count repeated roots with multiplicity. ".

Calvin Lin Staff - 11 months ago

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