Is There A Function?

Algebra Level 4

Does there exist a function f : N N f : \mathbb N \rightarrow \mathbb N satisfying

6 f ( f ( n ) ) = 5 f ( n ) n 6f( f( n ) ) = 5f( n ) - n

for all n N n\in \mathbb N ?


Notation: N \mathbb N denotes the set of natural numbers .

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Chaebum Sheen
Jan 12, 2017

Let g ( n ) = 2 f ( n ) n g(n)=2f(n)-n .

From the question, we have 6 f ( f ( n ) ) = 5 f ( n ) n 3 g ( f ( n ) ) = 6 f ( f ( n ) ) 3 f ( n ) = 2 f ( n ) n = g ( n ) 6f(f(n))=5f(n)-n \implies 3g(f(n))=6f(f(n))-3f(n)=2f(n)-n=g(n)

Now, since g ( n ) = 3 g ( f ( n ) ) = 9 g ( f ( f ( n ) ) = = 3 m g ( f ( f ( f f m times ( n ) ) g(n)=3g(f(n))=9 g (f (f(n))= \dots= 3^{m} g(\underbrace{f(f(f \ldots f}_{m \textrm{ times}}(n))

Since g : N N g: \mathbb{N} \to \mathbb{N} for any given n , m N n,m \in \mathbb{N} , we have that g ( n ) 0 ( m o d 3 m ) g(n) \equiv 0 \pmod {3^m}

This implies for all n n , we have g ( n ) = 0 g(n)=0 . Since this implies f ( n ) = n 2 f(n)=\frac{n}{2} , we have a contradiction as f : N N f: \mathbb{N} \to \mathbb{N} .

Unique method +1

Kushal Bose - 4 years, 5 months ago

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This is a standard approach when phrased in terms of linear recurrences. See my solution.

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 4 months ago

How did you know that g ( n ) 0 ( m o d 3 m ) g(n) \equiv 0 \pmod {3^m} ?

I'm still new at modular

Jason Chrysoprase - 4 years, 5 months ago

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Cause g : N N g:\mathbb{N} \to \mathbb{N} so g ( n ) 3 m \frac{g(n)}{3^m} is an integer from the equation I wrote above.

Chaebum Sheen - 4 years, 5 months ago

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If g ( n ) g(n) implies to all n n , why is g ( n ) = 0 g(n) = 0 ?

Why not 9, not 27 ?

Jason Chrysoprase - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Jason Chrysoprase 27 ≢ 0 ( m o d 81 ) 27 \not \equiv 0 \pmod {81} . However, m m can be any integer.

Chaebum Sheen - 4 years, 5 months ago
Calvin Lin Staff
Jan 27, 2017

A more natural approach using the theory of recurrence relations. Identical to Chaebum's, just in a different language.

Suppose that such a function exists.
Fix an integer n 0 n \neq 0 .
Define U 1 = n , U k = f ( U k 1 ( n ) ) U_1 = n, U_k = f(U_{k-1} (n) ) .
Observe that we have the recurrence relation 6 U k = 5 U k 1 U k 2 6U_k = 5 U_{k-1} - U_{k-2} .
Since the characteristic equation is 6 m 2 5 m + 1 = 0 6m^2 - 5m + 1 = 0 , which has roots m = 1 3 , 1 2 m = \frac{1}{3}, \frac{1}{2} , it follows that there are some constants A , B A, B such that
U k = A 1 3 k + B 1 2 k U_k = A \frac{1}{3^k} + B \frac{ 1} { 2^k }


If A , B A, B are non-zero, there it is clear that there is a K K large enough such that U K U_K is not an integer. This contradicts the condition that the function maps the integers to the integers. Hence, we must have A = B = 0 A = B = 0 .

In turn, we get a contradiction with k = 1 k = 1 , since

n = U 1 = 0 1 3 k + 0 1 2 k = 0 n = U_1 = 0 \frac{1}{3^k} + 0 \frac{ 1}{2^k} = 0

I learned it Thanks

Kushal Bose - 4 years, 4 months ago

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