− 2 × − 3 = ?
In this problem, the square root is a function from the complex numbers to the complex numbers.
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Wonderful! It is helpful to remember the conditions under which the theorem / fact that you learnt is valid.
Bonus question: What is the value of 4 − 2 × 4 − 3 ?
4 − 2 × 4 − 3 = { 4 − 1 × 4 2 } × { 4 − 1 × 4 3 } = { i × i } × 4 6 = i 4 6 O R 4 − 2 × 4 − 3 = 4 − 1 × 4 − 1 × 4 2 × 4 3 = 2 − 1 × 4 6 = i 4 6
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But then a b = a b is only defined for nonnegative real numbers a and b , thus making the step i 2 × i 3 = i 4 6 invalid.
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OK. I would remove the first method.
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@Niranjan Khanderia – In the second method too, you have done i × i = i
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@Omkar Kulkarni – i × i = i 2 1 ∗ i 2 1 = i 1 = i . T o m y t h i n k i n g t h i s I S p e r f e c t l y c o r r e c t . − 1 ∗ − 1 i s N O T 1 a g r e e d , b u t i t I S i ∗ i = − 1 .
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@Niranjan Khanderia – Yeah, I thought of that at school today :P Nothing wrong there.
I have also used the same method!
So you are telling me − 1 × 2 is fine but − 2 × − 3 is not? How about i 4 ? Is it 1 or i 2 or undefined?
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i 4 n = 1 f o r a l l i n t e g e r n , O R i m = 1 , m ≡ 0 ( m o d 4 )
That is what it appears to be. i 4 = 1 .
it is both 1 and -1, so it is square root of 1 and i 2 = − 1
Every number, be it real or complex, has TWO square roots. One is minus the other. So, while it is true that i 2 is a square root of -2, so is -i 2 . So both -6 and +6 are equally correct solutions to this question. a b = a . b is true even if a, b or both are negative.
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a b = a ∗ b is ONLY defined for nonnegative real numbers a, b.
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Yeah, isn't this operation only defined for nonnegative a , b ? Can you elaborate @ChrisTaylor?
I was looking for someone commenting this. Makes me worried that the moderator answers here are wrong. This question should be scrapped altogether.
@Omkar Kulkarni , I disagree with the "only holds true" claim in your solution. It's true that the identity a b = a × b holds true ∀ a , b ≥ 0 but the claim that it doesn't hold true ∀ a , b < 0 is false.
Take a = − 4 and b = 9 and you'll see that the identity holds true even when a = − 4 < 0 .
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Shall we say "holds true for real number not less than 0." The word ONLY is troublesome!!
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I'd say that it should be rephrased to say that the identity always holds true ∀ a , b ≥ 0 but fails for some a , b < 0 .
To be precise, it always fails when both a , b < 0 but holds true when only one of a , b < 0 .
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@Prasun Biswas – I'll edit my solution. Thanks! But Wikipedia says 'For all non-negative real numbers x and y , x y = x y .' Do you mean that they're wrong too? Here 's the link.
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@Omkar Kulkarni – I think there is nothing wrong in Wikipedia definition. It never say that it is false in other situation. It guarantees that it is true for non-negative. So it would be wise not to use this for other situations. We may use other methods then. Say use the exponential rules.
@Omkar Kulkarni – Isn't it something like "it works if x or y is positive"? It seems that problems only arise when both are negative.
Omkar concerning your bonus question, isn't 4 − 1 a multi-valued operation? I know that − 1 is a special case and by definition is single valued, but I thought roots of complex numbers were multi-valued.
4 − 1 = − 1 = i
i = e i ( 2 π + 2 π ∗ n )
i = e i ( 4 π + π ∗ n ) where n can be any integer
If so then 4 − 2 ∗ 4 − 3 becomes
4 2 ∗ 4 3 ∗ e i ( 4 π + π ∗ n ) ∗ e i ( 4 π + π ∗ m )
4 − 2 ∗ 4 − 3 = 4 6 ∗ e i ( 2 π + π ∗ n )
Note that n and m are independent variables where each can be any integer, thus n+m can be replaced with n.
4 − 2 ∗ 4 − 3 = ± i 4 6
When n is even the phase is one half pi, when n is odd the phase is three halves pi. So the two values of the product are ± i 4 6 .
Haha. The way you worded your solution deserves an upvote.
Yup. You got me there.
One more addition of a step will help some. ( i ) ( 2 ) ( i ) ( 3 ) =
Why my calculator return error for √_1 :(.
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You have to change your mode to a+ib or complex mode..
i (6^(1÷2))
i (6^(1÷4))
-⁴√6 or -ve 4th root of 6
The question is ambiguous. If square root for this question is defined as a function of complex numbers to complex numbers, why should square root of -3 only be sqrt(3) i? It can also be -sqrt(3) i
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Could you please explain how − 3 could be equal to − 3 ι ?
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Take the square of -root3 iota and you'll see for yourself
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@Shivank Mehra – True, but ( − 3 ι ) 2 = ( − 3 ) 2 does not imply that − 3 ι = − 3 .
By definition − 1 = + i . − n = − 1 ∗ n = + i n .
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There is no such thing as positive or negative in a complex number
Complex square root cannot exist as long as it cannot be a function, the real square root for positive numbers is defined as the sqrt(y) is only positive number x as x^2=y but how do you define sqrt(e^ia) because if you define it as z^(1/2), sqrt(e^i Pi) and sqrt(e^i 3*Pi) won't be the same number, thus sqrt won't be a function ?
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Could you explain the example you gave? How won't e i π and e i 3 π be the same if the square root function is defined as z 2 1 ?
It ils completly false... With that you can writte: 1=sqrt(1)=sqrt(-1 -1)=sqrt(-1) sqrt(-1)=i*i=-1 It's impossible...
In the complex number universe, let the set of complex numbers that are square root of 6 be S. Then S has to be a set that is the mirror image of itself, i.e., S is the same as -S. Same thing guys, same thing. Here's why your solution is incomplete: When you write sqrt -2 as the product of sqrt -1 and sqrt 2, you miss the fact that you can take ( - sqrt -1) and (+ sqrt -1) and all those combos. There are more solutions than your math teacher seems to have counted here.
fourth root -2 * fourth root -3 = (i * fourth root 2) * (i * fourth root 3) = -1 * (-1 * fourth root 6) = 1 * negative fourth root 6 = negative fourth root 6. I honestly have not much of an idea on this, but it feels somewhat more solid than what Niranjan said.
Answer should be = ((i+1)*(3/2)^0.5)^0.5
where is the error in my thinking? i saw these two numbers as pure immaginary numbers i.e. the real part is equal to zero: for example the first number is equal to ( 0 + i√2), the second is equal to (0 +√3). then i apply the rule for the product of two immaginary numbers i.e. ( a + ib)x(c+id)=(ac-bd, bc+ad) and the result was √6. Anybody sees where the error is?
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How is the result 6 ?
( 0 + 2 i ) × ( 0 + 3 i ) = ( ( 0 ) ( 0 ) − ( 2 ) ( 3 ) ) + ( ( 2 ) ( 0 ) + ( 0 ) ( 3 ) ) i = ( 0 − 6 ) + ( 0 + 0 ) i = − 6 + 0 × i = − 6
When you're given only roots of negative numbers, no "real" part is really there, it's just complex numbers giving a false perspective because of its surreal property. In cases with these kinds of numbers it's often best to just play it safe and go with whatever you were taught as much as possible, as math is not some kind of written essay that depends on person to person's thinking, but rather person's to person thinking.
Sqrt (-2) * Sqrt (-3) = Sqrt (-2 * -3) = sqrt (+6)
there is 2 square root of a complex number, for exemple , i^2=(-1)^2 so we can say that i and -i are square root of -1. so there isn't only one solution for these probleme. -square root of 6 , and square root of 6 can both be considered as correct solution
Note: This solution is meant to be as newbie-friendly as possible. In fact, I didn't learn this in math class; I just browsed about the imaginary number sometime ago. I assume that you have understood the 4 basic number operations, integers, exponents, roots, and variables.
Algebraic Notes:
− 1 ∗ a = − a (The rule stating that anything multiplied by one is equal to itself combined with the rule stating that multiplication of two numbers with different signs will result in a negative product.)
i = − 1 (Impossible to solve, this is called the imaginary number.)
a ∗ a = ( a ) 2 = a (Exponentiation first. Since the power of the root and the exponent is then just equal but opposite, cancel out both.)
i 2 = ( − 1 ) 2 = − 1 (Combination of rule 2 and 3 stated above. If you try to square the imaginary number, you will square the square root of − 1 , which will then cancel out and result in − 1 .)
if a , b > 0 , or a = − 1 and b > 0 , or a > 0 and b = − 1 , then a b = a ∗ b (Given two positive numbers or either one being the imaginary number, the root of a product is equal to the root of the multiplicand multiplied by the root of the multiplier.)
a b = b a (The commutative property of multiplication. Applies to addition, too.)
Solution:
Use the imaginary number, some square root algebra and some basic algebra shown above. It is solved below.
− 2 ∗ − 3
= 2 ∗ − 1 ∗ 3 ∗ − 1
= 2 ∗ − 1 ∗ 3 ∗ − 1
= 2 ∗ i ∗ 3 ∗ i
= i ∗ 2 ∗ 3 ∗ i
= i ∗ 2 ∗ i ∗ 3
= i ∗ i ∗ 2 ∗ 3
= i 2 ∗ 2 ∗ 3
= − 1 ∗ 2 ∗ 3
= − 1 ∗ 2 ∗ 3
= − 1 ∗ 6
= − 6
Correct Answer: − 6
Thanks! This should help. Do note one thing though, about the 'imaginary number': rather than unable to solve, it's not defined in real numbers, which is why we extend the number system to what we call complex numbers. In the set of complex numbers we define square roots of negative numbers.
Don't mind me if I sound a little too dramatic; I was watching The Flash. :P
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Well, based on what I know, it is unable to be solved. I mean, really, you can't get an even number root (square root, 4th root, 6th root, etc.) of a negative number. I'm sure you're not new to math, so I think you know what I mean and why. (Still, don't be afraid to ask.) Though, thanks for your thought!
a ∗ a = ( a ) 2 = a (Exponentiation first. Since the power of the root and the exponent is then j u s t e q u a l b u t o p p o s i t e , cancel out both.) I think it should be as mention in red. Nice presentation.
According to rule no3, exponentiation first, ( − 2 ) 2 = − 2 . Same goes to the other factor. Say, we are finding x, then x 2 is 6. Two results?
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There is only one of each, and both are different; One − 2 and one − 3 , so you can't do that. Sorry.
Your solution was very simplistic and helpful! I like this one the most!
It is pretty nice... thanks for the lecture and the solution... it helps me the most! :-)
Actually, rule 5 is not correct, when a and b are negative. This is the point of the problem, I think.
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Ah, thanks for the correction! I've just edited it to note that it only applies to positive numbers.
Great, simple and well explained solution. First time I've even had a hint of understanding imaginary numbers
− 3 ⋅ − 2 = 3 i ⋅ 2 i = 6 i 2 = − 6
Right. Bonus question: Is it true that 3 − 2 × 3 − 3 = 3 2 × 3 3 ?
Since the roots are odd, no i is involved. - tive sign comes out of both terms and it is true.
Was another answer, sqroot(-2) x sqroot(-2) = sqroot(-2 x -3) = sqroot(6)
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No. x y = x y is only valid when x and y are non-negative.
Looking at the bonus question I would say it is correct. As I am not able to type special signs so I will use descriptive terms.
Let's suppose
-2 root 3 = -a so 2 root 3 = a
and
-3 root 3 = -b so 3 root 3 = b
Multiplying the first two equations in both lines will result in
A -2 root 3 x -3 root 3 = -a x -b = ab
If we multiply second equations in both lines then we get
B 2 root 3 x 3 root 3 = ab
LHS of both equations A and B are equal to ab thus they are equal so here is the proof.
In fact this will work even when the exponents are not equal as long as all the exponents are odd e.g. in the above example if we had taken the fifth root of -3 it would have still held true. Here is another bonus question -a root 3 x -b root 3 x -c root 3
The square root function is double-valued over the complex plane, and there is no good motivation for picking one sheet and ignoring the other. I suggest removing this problem, since it has no unambiguous answer.
It's not a matter of picking branches, it's that there is no logical reason for picking a particular branch. There is a convention for sqrt(nonnegative_real) but if one sees it without a plus-or-minus symbol then probably an error has been made. The convention does not extend to negative arguments, which is the main error in this quiz.
I agree, square root of -3 has 2 square roots +/- √3 i. Same for square roots of -2 Most of the solutions here ignore the second root. The product in this case will be either -√6 or +√6 The Problem is not well posed
I disagree with this comment. It's true that the square root has two branches. However, both \sqrt{-2} and \sqrt{-3} have to pick the SAME BRANCH so the result of -\sqrt{6} is obtained either way.
Recall that i 2 = − 1 so − 2 = 2 × − 1 = 2 × i 2 and similarly for − 3 = 3 × i 2 so − 2 = i 2 and − 3 = i 3 hence − 2 × − 3 = i 2 × i 3 = i 2 3 × 2 = i 2 6 = − 6
A common problem seems to be understanding when a b = a b holds true.
Firstly: ( ± a b ) 2 = ( ± a b ) 2 = a b , for any a , b ∈ C .
With any number z ∈ C , there are two “square roots”, namely ± z . When z is real and non-negative, we choose the real non-negative root by convention: so 4 = 2 , not − 2 (even though ( − 2 ) 2 = 4 just as much as 2 2 = 4 ). Therefore, when a and b are real and non-negative, a and b are real and non-negative and so, finally, is their product. This means that a b = a b for any real non-negative a and b .
The trouble comes with complex numbers because of which of the two possible roots (in C ) we choose by convention. When we fix − 1 = i , we then decide that − x means x i , not − x i (even though both square to give − x ), for any real negative number − x . Unfortunately, this means that when we multiply two square roots of negatives, − x and − y , the following happens:
− x − y = x i × y i = i 2 × x y = − x y ,
so that a b = a b is not (quite) true. Note: the third–fourth line is allowed, because x and y are real and non-negative, as above. Also: see the first point to see that this is only a problem with notation, not with maths...
In conclusion: only trust square roots (“ x ” notation) for non-negative real numbers. Otherwise, all hail i . And use indices.
In the last sentence, did you mean a x n ? You code it like this: \sqrt[a]{x^n}
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The 'a' and 'n' are supposed to be inverted commas. But thanks anyway!
2^(1/2)ix3^(1/2)i 6^(1/2)x(-1) -6^(1/2)
− 2 × − 3 = i 2 × i 3 = i × i × 2 × 3 = i 2 × 2 × 3 = − 1 × 6 = − 6
By definition we have that i 2 = − 1 , so − 2 × − 3 = 2 i 2 × 3 i 2 = i 2 × i 3 = i 2 6 = − 1 6 = − 6 .
4 − 2 × 4 − 3 = 4 − 1 × 4 2 × 4 − 1 × 4 3 = 4 − 1 × 4 − 1 × 4 2 × 4 3 = 2 − 1 × 4 6 = i 4 6
root (-1) = i therefore it will be 2i*3i = 6i^2 = -6
Do it stepwise. First multiple the numbers within the roots. √2 * √3 = √6
Now multiply the signs, √- * √- = ( √- )^2 = -
Combining, Answer is -√6
((-1) (2))^.5 ((-1) (3))^.5=i (2^.5)*i(3^.5)=i^2(6^.5)=-6^.5
Actually there is no ambiguity in the.answer if you represent as.you.should a complex numbe z as |z|exp(i phi), with phi the phase of such a number and |z| its modulos.
The radical precedes multiplication in the order of operations. The principle square root of − 2 is i 2 and the principle square root of − 3 is i 3 therefore their product is i × i × 6 = − 6
As a, b < 0. So √a √b ≠ √ab now √-2 = i√2 and √-3 = i√3 this imply (√-2 ) (√-3) = i 2 (√2)(√3) = -√6 where i is an imaginary unit defined as i = √-1
− 2 × − 3 = 2 i × 3 i = 6 i 2 Remember that i 2 = − 1 ∴ 6 i 2 = 6 × ( − 1 ) = − 6
√2i × √3i = √6i^2 which gives -√6 as i^2 = -1
− 2 × − 3 = i 2 × i 3 Then i 2 = − 1 So ( − 1 ) × 2 2 1 × 3 2 1 = ( − 1 ) × 6 2 1 = − 6
√a×√b=√ab Only when at least one of them is greater than zero. Here both -2 and -3 are less than zero, hence there is only one answer. √(-2)×√(-3)=√2 i×√3 i=√6 i^2=-√6
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Obviously, it's 6 . Well, guess what? a b = a × b doesn't hold true when a , b < 0 . So we bring in complex numbers.
− 2 − 3 = ( − 1 ) ( 2 ) ( − 1 ) ( 3 ) = ( i ) ( 2 ) ( i ) ( 3 ) = − 6
Learned this in math class today!